GnomeX (Washington)
Posts: 253
Posts: 253
Posted:
Anyone have any experience on the following and what possible course of action to take?
FYI the Water & Sewer Utility are separate from the HOA. Here are our latest issues:
1)Vacant lots charged for a service they are not receiving:
Our local Water & Sewer District Utility has been charging vacant lots for sewer service for years. There are 4 commissioners. One commissioner thought this was illegal tried to get the other commissioners and their attorney to look into it.
Long story short is there is evidently something to this as they stopped the practice in September. What they did not tell everyone is that according to this commissioner, people that were charged can get a refund going back 3 years. According to this commissioner, the utility's attorney basically warned in a private meeting about this problem if the info got out into the public.
I wanted something more substantial. So I submitted Public Records Request (PRR) on this issue to their office and they were delayed and eventually denied & redacted. I complained to the above commissioner what the office manager was doing about the PRR. He sent a letter to the contractor that employs the office manager, informing them that it was illegal to deny or delay a PRR per Washington State Law.
The following week after my PRR, the Commissioner was facing allegations of sexual harassment by the same office manager. Now the commission has been kicked off the District property by the contractor that employs her. He can only show up to Commissioner meetings. The accusations by the office manager are looking like retaliation. This commissioner has been on the Board for 7 years with no prior problems and now a week after the office manager is reprimanded for delaying a PRR, she is now making sexual harassment allegations against this commissioner.
They are also lawyering up.
2)Water & Sewer Utility continues to charge monthly service fees to properties whose service is terminated:
Basically the legal premise with the vacant lots is they are billing owners for a service they are not receiving. This immediately led me to ask the next question:
If they cannot legally charge a vacant lot owner, how can they continue to charge monthly water and sewer fees to a lot that has had their service disconnected for non-payment??? This is a practice they have been doing for years! To me it seems the same as your electric company charging you for electricity after you stop paying your bill and they cut service...
The reason this is an issue for our HOA is some of the properties are going to have to be foreclosed on and they have Water & Sewer Utility liens on them for very large sums. Those liens are superior to the HOA's but in my opinion they are not valid if the Utility had no legal basis to begin with to charge monthly service fees to vacant lots and homes not receiving service. But honestly I don't know for sure without spending more money on the HOA attorney. Just hoping there might be something out there someone knows about to clarify the issue? Can a utility like this really charge people for a service they are not receiving?
FYI the Water & Sewer Utility are separate from the HOA. Here are our latest issues:
1)Vacant lots charged for a service they are not receiving:
Our local Water & Sewer District Utility has been charging vacant lots for sewer service for years. There are 4 commissioners. One commissioner thought this was illegal tried to get the other commissioners and their attorney to look into it.
Long story short is there is evidently something to this as they stopped the practice in September. What they did not tell everyone is that according to this commissioner, people that were charged can get a refund going back 3 years. According to this commissioner, the utility's attorney basically warned in a private meeting about this problem if the info got out into the public.
I wanted something more substantial. So I submitted Public Records Request (PRR) on this issue to their office and they were delayed and eventually denied & redacted. I complained to the above commissioner what the office manager was doing about the PRR. He sent a letter to the contractor that employs the office manager, informing them that it was illegal to deny or delay a PRR per Washington State Law.
The following week after my PRR, the Commissioner was facing allegations of sexual harassment by the same office manager. Now the commission has been kicked off the District property by the contractor that employs her. He can only show up to Commissioner meetings. The accusations by the office manager are looking like retaliation. This commissioner has been on the Board for 7 years with no prior problems and now a week after the office manager is reprimanded for delaying a PRR, she is now making sexual harassment allegations against this commissioner.
They are also lawyering up.
2)Water & Sewer Utility continues to charge monthly service fees to properties whose service is terminated:
Basically the legal premise with the vacant lots is they are billing owners for a service they are not receiving. This immediately led me to ask the next question:
If they cannot legally charge a vacant lot owner, how can they continue to charge monthly water and sewer fees to a lot that has had their service disconnected for non-payment??? This is a practice they have been doing for years! To me it seems the same as your electric company charging you for electricity after you stop paying your bill and they cut service...
The reason this is an issue for our HOA is some of the properties are going to have to be foreclosed on and they have Water & Sewer Utility liens on them for very large sums. Those liens are superior to the HOA's but in my opinion they are not valid if the Utility had no legal basis to begin with to charge monthly service fees to vacant lots and homes not receiving service. But honestly I don't know for sure without spending more money on the HOA attorney. Just hoping there might be something out there someone knows about to clarify the issue? Can a utility like this really charge people for a service they are not receiving?