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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Our PM is going to go unit by unit to use baking soad, vinegar, and hot water to service drains. We agreed for this to be an Association expense as it is less expensive to maintain than to repair.

It seems like I have either read or heard somewhere, that this drain cleaning method (baking soda, vinegar, and hot water) could cause problems.

Does anyone have knowledger and/or experience about the baking soda, vinegar, and hot water method of servicie drains?

Please remember I am not asking for advise on who pays we have already discussed this and determined the Association will pay the cost.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I have heard of this mixture to unclog a drain:

How to Unclog A Drain With Baking Soda and Vinegar
Pour a pot of boiling hot water down your drain.
Dump in about 1/2 c. baking soda. Let that sit for a few minutes.
Then, pour a mixture of 1 c. vinegar and 1. c very hot water down on top of the baking soda.
Cover with a drain plug (to keep the reaction down below the drain surface) if you have one and let it sit for 5-10 minutes.
Flush one more time with a pot of boiling water.


I am not sure it will clean out non plugged drains/pipes but as it is all natural, I see no harm in doing it.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Although it creates nice foaming action, it doesn't contain any chemicals to actually clean the lines. Its good for "stuck" drains, but not for cleaning lines. I'm still a huge fan of draino crystals (teaspoon every other month) for things with ptraps such as a sink, tub, etc. And I use draino gel once a year to keep the lines clean.

Baking soda treatment seems like a waste of time to me. Maybe its just an excuse to inspect the units and the plumbing.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
That mixture is good for cleaning garbage disposals. It makes them smell better only that I know of. Doesn't do much for cleaning the drains itself. just kills the smells. Another good thing? Use Tang to clean your dishwasher. It will clean and make it smell good...

Former HOA President
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
I just have to ask.......

How many units do you have???
How many drains per unit?? Bathroom,kitchen, etc.
Do you have frequent drain issues??
Under your documents does the property cover drains lines from individual units before they hook into the main?

How does the PM plan to gain access to each unit???

And most important, what will this "service" be costing your property??
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
This is a very benign treatment. It is very unlikely to do any harm (also unlikely to do much good, in my opinion). This combination results in the generation of a modest amount of carbon dioxide gas.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
One should NOT, repeat NOT, pour boiling water into any sanitary drain.

PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION

all codes specify 180* MAXIMUM

in addition to expansion / contraction issues:

PVC is rated 140* MAXIMUM

? WHY NOT USE "SNAKE OIL" INSTEAD ?

I am a retired plumber with 40+ years of experience!

ps. 'snake oil' was a placebo once used to cure all ailments by travelling salesmen - it became a 'catch phrase' for useless hi-profit products.
BanksS
Posts: 403
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnB26 on 11/27/2013 9:57 AM
One should NOT, repeat NOT, pour boiling water into any sanitary drain.


JohnB26,

What is the reason not to do this? Could you elaborate please? Thanks.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Say, John26, does the boiling water problem have the same effect on cast iron pipes?

Another question for you, John26 on this topic. Our PM place an item in our HOA newsletter with headline "Drano is a No-No!" Must crystal cleaners NEVER be used? What about liquid ones?

We are a high rise HOA so clogged drains are a big problem when they occur.
JoK2 (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
So tomorrow when I need to drain the boiling potato's tomorrow it shouldn't be down the kitchen sink because it can make the pipes and adhesives melt or contract etc? Very interesting! Thanks!
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
you will run cold water into the sink while you dump the 210* water from the potatoes, pasta, etc like you always did before WITHOUT thinking about it

TEMPERED water will actually go into the drain

re: cast iron piping

the expansion and contraction from 210* water is NOT a good thing

re: any piping

rubber gaskets, plastic washers on slip joints etc etc
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JonD1 on 11/27/2013 8:08 AM
I just have to ask.......

How many units do you have???
How many drains per unit?? Bathroom,kitchen, etc.
Do you have frequent drain issues??
Under your documents does the property cover drains lines from individual units before they hook into the main?

How does the PM plan to gain access to each unit???

And most important, what will this "service" be costing your property??

We have 43 units
a kitchen sink, bathroom sink and bathtub drain in each unit. There is just one unit that has 2 bathroom sinks.
yes we have been having frequent drain issues
Yes if other units are affected. But as I mentioned we discussed this and agreed to pay with Associaton funds as the Board effectively would be calling for the service.
The PM will schedule the time with the unit owner.
The cost would include the cost of the baking soda, and vinegar plus the time of our PM's employess which we do get a discount because of our contract with the PM.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Draino = LYE

Liquid Plumber = SULFURIC ACID

IF, repeat IF, they unclog the stoppage and can be IMMEDIATELY flushed away ...... !

If they do not clear the stoppage they sit in and corrode the piping and present a MAJOR hazard for the poor sucker who must clear the stoppage MANUALLY with either a snake or a plunger

you "COULD" mix the two together if you REALLY REALLY WANT TO BE SEVERELY INJURED by the resulting "explosion"

NO CHEMICALS
NO BOILING WATER

If 100% dishwashing liquid does not clear the stoppage OVERNIGHT, no harm done by trying, either to the piping, yourself, or the plumber
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Thanks, JohnB26!

Jon, I think that Bonnie has written in the past that their HOA comprises some or all two-story buildings.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CarolR11 on 11/27/2013 7:28 PM
Thanks, JohnB26!

Jon, I think that Bonnie has written in the past that their HOA comprises some or all two-story buildings.

We have one building with three floors. The first floor consists of two units, the laundry room, the exercise room, community room, and the garage. The second and third floor consists of the hallways and individual units.
JoK2 (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnB26 on 11/27/2013 6:16 PM
you will run cold water into the sink while you dump the 210* water from the potatoes, pasta, etc like you always did before WITHOUT thinking about it

TEMPERED water will actually go into the drain

re: cast iron piping

the expansion and contraction from 210* water is NOT a good thing

re: any piping

rubber gaskets, plastic washers on slip joints etc etc

Thanks for this hot tip, it's safe to say that I have been pouring all 210^ and thanks for allowing me to go off topic!
Happiest of Thanksgiving to all!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bonnie

Is the reoccurring blockage at the source (sink, toilet, tub, etc.) or further along in the pipes and just backing up into the sinks?

Most solutions are designed to unplug a plug, not clean a pipe. You might be needing a professional pipe cleaning/rootering, not some homemade or any solution flush.

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