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SavonB (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
We live in a gated community in Texas. There is a house(owned by a financial institution) that has been sitting empty for three years. There were no "No Trespassing" signs on the property. Recently a family has quietly taken up residence (squatters). They have been paying the HOA dues and have made several improvements to the property.

Do we have a right to interfer or is that between them and the financial institution? Is this considered adverse possession? They don't appear to be hiding.

BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
They seem like good neighbors so far. During the time the house was vacant did the bank pay the dues? In our State they are not required to pay the dues prior to the foreclosure but are required after they take possession.

If these people are paying the dues they are doing more than the bank and are better for the community. Why do you think they are squatters?
SavonB (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
The mortgage servicing company had been paying the dues, although consistently late and only after two seperate threats of foreclosure. The bank remains owner of record.

The family pays dues like clock work and the property is now a definite improvement. The house is now back in line with the rest of the community.
It is rumored that they took it by "adverse possession" since they had been trying to buy the property for over a year. The property has been in litigation between financial institutions. Are we obligated to report this? Or is this a civil matter between them and the insitution, after all they haven't broken any laws.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Honestly, I don't know the official answer but would not report it myself. The problem is that you are a 3rd party and not privy to what has been happening.

I recently had something like this happen where I debated about to do and in the end decided to do nothing. A home is in Foreclosure in our Association and the old occupants have been evicted; they are behind about $950 and I recently learned that someone is attempting to buy the place before it does go to auction. While walking back from the Treasurer's house I saw the old owner with a pickup truck on the lawn backed up to the front door and they were loading the refrigerator onto the back of it.

I thought about calling the sheriff but they would be gone before someone arrived. I thought about calling the number on the sign for the foreclosure realtor and letting them know what had happened and who had done it. Even so they might have had permission or it might have been there’s as I don’t the laws. To involve the Association (or myself personally) would make the liable if I was wrong. If I got them sent to jail for the night and it ended up being perfectly legal could they come after me? Would they come after me or my property if they found out (they have a history of violence)?

The bank changed the locks the next day and I thought about telling the agent when he showed up but decided that might jeopardize the sale.

Since I didn’t know enough I didn’t get involved. Since I didn’t want to affect the sale to a potential buyer, I didn’t say anything. Our society is very litigious so you have to be careful about getting involved. There is an old saying “Why do you care if you don’t have a dog in the fight?”
SavonB (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks.
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
I'm curious how these evicted owners are still able to get thru your gates to return to the house. Harold
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Savon:

I think you shouldn't worry about it, your concern is with the owner which apparantly is still the bank. If the dues are paid on time and the lot is in good order just cross your fingers and go with the flow.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
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Posted By SavonB on 03/30/2007 11:45 PM
We live in a gated community in Texas. There is a house(owned by a financial institution) that has been sitting empty for three years. There were no "No Trespassing" signs on the property. Recently a family has quietly taken up residence (squatters). They have been paying the HOA dues and have made several improvements to the property.

Do we have a right to interfer or is that between them and the financial institution? Is this considered adverse possession? They don't appear to be hiding.


SavonB - Adverse possession is another means of involuntary transfer. An owner may lose title to another person who has some claim to the land, takes possession and uses the land. In some states a person may acquire title by adverse possession through the continuous, open, notorious, hostile, and exclusive occupation of another preson's property for 20 years. After that time the user may perfect the claim of title to land through adverse possession by bringing a court suit to quiet title. To prevent adverse possession every person having a right or title to real estate must inspect the property at least once within a 20-year period and take action against any adverse claim. Action could be an acknowledgement (physical confrontation) of the real owner with the squatter, usually with a sherriff present. This will break the 20 year chain of exclusive occupation.

The squatters are on the road to adverse possession because they are doing it openly, paying dues, etc. They are trespassing on the property and I cannot see how that is beneficial to the association. The financial institution (owner) should be notified by the HOA Board through the Property Manager and or attorney. The last thing the HOA Board needs is for someone to turnaround and ask why nothing was said, that's not acting in good faith. The Board has no jurisdiction to evict, that's up to the financial institution and authorities. The dues should be paid by the financial institution, not the squatters.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I wonder if they are truly "squaters" or "friends" of someone that works at the financial insitution. It was stated that the house has been empty for atleast 3 years. The bank may have made a "deal" for these people to live there and take care of the property if they are willing to pay the dues and give up possession if/when the property sales.
Let's not forget the property is the bank's and they'd want it in good condition when they sell it. Having someone in the property is better than having no one at all. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a kind of arrangement so these people can live there temporarily.
I would just call the financial insitution and inquire if your that concerned. If your in a gated community, you may not be able to put up for sale/rent signs. Some gated communities are like that. If so, you might not know if the property was sold or just rented.
I don't see anything wrong with asking the board to call and investigate the situation. If they are truly "squaters" then they have no voting rights in your HOA. An important fact the board needs to know in case they need votes. Even if they are "renters" they still have no voting rights unless they can be non-members paying dues.
Overall, just ask and deal with the situation from there.

Former HOA President
SavonB (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
They aren't evicted owners. They've been trying to buy the property from the bank for almost a year and no one will correspond with them...perhaps because it is in litigation. I'm not certain. However, over the past few years the property was starting to deteriorate and become an eyesore...which is why now with the new family it is a DEFINITE improvement.

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
SavonB:
Are you on the Board and are you privy to financial records of the community? If not, then it may well be that the new family is actually paying the dues since they are in the process of buying the property (mortgage). If so, the bank still owns the property until the mortgage is fulfilled. Regardless, the dues are paid.

I would not step into a situation that is not your concern. You state the house has improved and they are not troublemakers. Let sleeping dogs lie.

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