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FredF3 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Do I as a member of an HOA in Fla. have the right to see the approval for modifications to a property in my community, one where we the land is own by the HOA we own just the structure and a change was allowed on a property that impacts the common area.
Thanks.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
Very unclear.

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
From my understanding of what you wrote, you have a house and you own the actual home but the property is owned by the HOA? And another homeowner had changes made to their home that impacts the common property?

Are you a HOA? Or something like a condo or townhome?
FredF3 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
To make this clear, it is a townhouse with structures owned by individuals and the property surrounding (includes anything from the exterior walls out) are owned and cared for by the HOA (members), we are a sub HOA inside a larger HOA Development ( Fishhawk in Lithia, Fl) a homeowner made a modification that has an impact on the property that is owned by everyone. I requested to see the approval that was given by the Board and the management company is denying access to the application and approval. I think it was just done, it was reported when it was happening and the management company just ignored it, now they are trying to do a CYA. My question is does FLORIDA HOA Law give me the right to see all correspondence, approvals/denials and what actions are being taken regarding violations of rules/regulations? Also, what is the FLORIDA law regarding owners being made aware of homeowners that are in arrears.
To add fuel to the fire this homeowner brags I don't pay my dues, I can't afford them and the house is listed as a pre foreclosure.
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
Florida statutes have specific language as to your rights as a property owner in respect to reviewing records. You will need to send a letter to your property management company with your request to inspect the records.
INSPECTION AND COPYING OF RECORDS.—The official records shall be maintained within the state for at least 7 years and shall be made available to a parcel owner for inspection or photocopying within 45 miles of the community or within the county in which the association is located within 10 business days after receipt by the board or its designee of a written request. This subsection may be complied with by having a copy of the official records available for inspection or copying in the community or, at the option of the association, by making the records available to a parcel owner electronically via the Internet or by allowing the records to be viewed in electronic format on a computer screen and printed upon request. If the association has a photocopy machine available where the records are maintained, it must provide parcel owners with copies on request during the inspection if the entire request is limited to no more than 25 pages. An association shall allow a member or his or her authorized representative to use a portable device, including a smartphone, tablet, portable scanner, or any other technology capable of scanning or taking photographs, to make an electronic copy of the official records in lieu of the association’s providing the member or his or her authorized representative with a copy of such records. The association may not charge a fee to a member or his or her authorized representative for the use of a portable device.
(a) The failure of an association to provide access to the records within 10 business days after receipt of a written request submitted by certified mail, return receipt requested, creates a rebuttable presumption that the association willfully failed to comply with this subsection.
(b) A member who is denied access to official records is entitled to the actual damages or minimum damages for the association’s willful failure to comply with this subsection. The minimum damages are to be $50 per calendar day up to 10 days, the calculation to begin on the 11th business day after receipt of the written request.
(c) The association may adopt reasonable written rules governing the frequency, time, location, notice, records to be inspected, and manner of inspections, but may not require a parcel owner to demonstrate any proper purpose for the inspection, state any reason for the inspection, or limit a parcel owner’s right to inspect records to less than one 8-hour business day per month. The association may impose fees to cover the costs of providing copies of the official records, including the costs of copying and the costs required for personnel to retrieve and copy the records if the time spent retrieving and copying the records exceeds one-half hour and if the personnel costs do not exceed $20 per hour. Personnel costs may not be charged for records requests that result in the copying of 25 or fewer pages. The association may charge up to 25 cents per page for copies made on the association’s photocopier. If the association does not have a photocopy machine available where the records are kept, or if the records requested to be copied exceed 25 pages in length, the association may have copies made by an outside duplicating service and may charge the actual cost of copying, as supported by the vendor invoice. The association shall maintain an adequate number of copies of the recorded governing documents, to ensure their availability to members and prospective members.
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
Other records will not be open to you.

the following records are not accessible to members or parcel owners:
1. Any record protected by the lawyer-client privilege as described in s. 90.502 and any record protected by the work-product privilege, including, but not limited to, a record prepared by an association attorney or prepared at the attorney’s express direction which reflects a mental impression, conclusion, litigation strategy, or legal theory of the attorney or the association and which was prepared exclusively for civil or criminal litigation or for adversarial administrative proceedings or which was prepared in anticipation of such litigation or proceedings until the conclusion of the litigation or proceedings.
2. Information obtained by an association in connection with the approval of the lease, sale, or other transfer of a parcel.
3. Personnel records of association or management company employees, including, but not limited to, disciplinary, payroll, health, and insurance records. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “personnel records” does not include written employment agreements with an association or management company employee or budgetary or financial records that indicate the compensation paid to an association or management company employee.
4. Medical records of parcel owners or community residents.
5. Social security numbers, driver license numbers, credit card numbers, electronic mailing addresses, telephone numbers, facsimile numbers, emergency contact information, any addresses for a parcel owner other than as provided for association notice requirements, and other personal identifying information of any person, excluding the person’s name, parcel designation, mailing address, and property address. Notwithstanding the restrictions in this subparagraph, an association may print and distribute to parcel owners a directory containing the name, parcel address, and telephone number of each parcel owner. However, an owner may exclude his or her telephone number from the directory by so requesting in writing to the association. The association is not liable for the disclosure of information that is protected under this subparagraph if the information is included in an official record of the association and is voluntarily provided by an owner and not requested by the association.
6. Any electronic security measure that is used by the association to safeguard data, including passwords.
7. The software and operating system used by the association which allows the manipulation of data, even if the owner owns a copy of the same software used by the association. The data is part of the official records of the association.
(d) The association or its authorized agent is not required to provide a prospective purchaser or lienholder with information about the residential subdivision or the association other than information or documents required by this chapter to be made available or disclosed. The association or its authorized agent may charge a reasonable fee to the prospective purchaser or lienholder or the current parcel owner or member for providing good faith responses to requests for information by or on behalf of a prospective purchaser or lienholder, other than that required by law, if the fee does not exceed $150 plus the reasonable cost of photocopying and any attorney fees incurred by the association in connection with the response.

AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
SO if there is open litigation against the property owner for non-compliance of the deed restrictions, you will not be able to see it in the HOA records. BUT you can always go to the Hillsborough County website to see if there are any open civil cases against the homeowner (foreclosure or a civil suit against the homeowner by the HOA).
FredF3 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Ann, thanks. I was President of my HOA in Va and did NOT want to assume anything regarding Fla. Once again thanks for your information.
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
You are welcome Fred! FYI, Florida is supposed to be one of the most highly regulated by statute when it comes to HOAs. I have also learned that just because it is in the statute, it doesn't mean the HOA will follow the law. You can have the best CAM in the world giving advice, but a bad HOA will still be a bad HOA. I would wonder if it was your CAM who dropped the ball or if you have a Board that isn't that great.
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
ps if you do go to look at the records, take a scanner. They can't charge you if you scan documents yourself. Also, send the request to the property management company, not to the Board. You also do not have to give any specific reason for the records review. If you ever do send an email with a concern to any Board member, blind copy the CAM on it. It then has to be kept in the records so the Board can't say they didn't get the email about your concern.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By FredF3 on 11/16/2013 12:16 PM
I was President of my HOA in Va and did NOT want to assume anything regarding Fla. Once again thanks for your information.

Never thought of this before but Florida is one of those states where everyone came from somewhere else. We have the same problem in Arizona. My own rural 40-acre parcel is in a development that was heavily marketed in California and our board is now top heavy with people who never lived in Arizona until they retired here.

I suspect that one of the problems in Florida, as within my own HOA, is that those who came from elsewhere try to apply the laws and practices of their former home states to their new homes.

I applaud you, Fred, for realizing that there is a danger in making assumptions when one moves from one state to another.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I agree with Larry about transplants. One "angry" voice in our HOA keeps saying but in FL. we did it so and so.

That aside, the main issue I see is people buying into an entirely different form of living/governance. Going from no association to an association. Going from having near total control over their actions/property to others having some control over their actions/property. Like the hell with these rules. I can put up any type/size fence, decorations, pool, shed, etc. I want to put up. I do not need your approval.

I say 80% of the problems would go away if people understood what they were signing up for, like read and understand your documents, before they bought.

I admit, I knew very little about my first association. All I knew was I liked the place and I wanted to live there. I had to learn as I went along. I am in my 6th association in 3 states and I am still learning.

AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
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Posted By JohnC46 on 11/16/2013 2:36 PM
I agree with Larry about transplants. One "angry" voice in our HOA keeps saying but in FL. we did it so and so.

That aside, the main issue I see is people buying into an entirely different form of living/governance. Going from no association to an association. Going from having near total control over their actions/property to others having some control over their actions/property. Like the hell with these rules. I can put up any type/size fence, decorations, pool, shed, etc. I want to put up. I do not need your approval.

I say 80% of the problems would go away if people understood what they were signing up for, like read and understand your documents, before they bought.

I admit, I knew very little about my first association. All I knew was I liked the place and I wanted to live there. I had to learn as I went along. I am in my 6th association in 3 states and I am still learning.


We hear the same but I think it is the ignorance of others to assume state laws are all the same. This is our first association and hopefully our last association. We were ok with the restrictions but now we are aware that the people who are elected to the Board 1) do not have the skillset needed to run the business and 2) many times have their own personal agendas and 3) are making legal and financial decisions on our behalf and definitely not making the same decisions we would have made for ourselves. #3 is the scariest of all for us considering the caliber of our Board.

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