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FrankP10 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Can the President of a Board impose additional fines and penalties on a homeowner which goes beyond the rules and regulations of the association?"
Case in point: a condo homeowner broke the rules pertaining to a traffic violation within the condo association.
The fine in the Rules and Regulations of the condo, clearly states that a fine of up to $100.00 can be imposed on the homeowner. In addition, however,the president of the condo assoc. wants to impose barring the homeowner's vehicle from using his barcode to enter the property. Is this legal?

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I am not nor do I play a lawyer.

In FL, effective July 1, 2010, both condominium and homeowners’ associations may deny a unit owner who is delinquent for more than 90 days the right to use the common elements, common facilities or other association property, until the monetary obligation is paid.

The suspension of use rights, however, does not extend to the limited common elements intended to be used only by that unit, nor can an association deny a unit owner access to the unit, parking spaces, elevators, or “utility services.”

I think there is/was a court case in FL concerning a resident named Acosta and an HOA named Alaqua. Search on it.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Frank,

Your president does not get out much, does he?

In the news feed on this site was a recent story about an Orlando homeowner who won a permanent injunction against his HOA, which had a policy of denying entry to those owners whom it claimed were in arrears. The entire story can be found at:
http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/press_releases/2013/11/04/PH09276

In the case of a condo, each owner has an undivided interest in all the common areas. The owner of each unit also owns a share of the gate, the driveway, the parking areas, and all other common elements. I know of no legal basis for one owner to bar another from entering upon the property that they own jointly.

Adding to that is the fact that the president is apparently using his position to pursue a personal vendetta against another owner by taking actions that are not sanctioned by the association.

You would be wise to organize a recall election asap because this president is going to drown the association and its members in a sea of legal debts.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
From what I've read on this Forum & elsewhere for the past couple of years, John46 & Larry are right.

If you're on the Board, Frank, you might want to get your objection to the president's action in the minutes so that you won't be held responsible for the president's behavior.

In addition, if you're on the Board, Frank, get a majority of it to vote the president out of the office of president. If that's not possible, because the Board has (foolishly) authorized the prez to take this kind of action, or for other reasons, urge homeowners, being very careful to follow the laws in your state, to recall her/him. Your HOA is asking for a lawsuit.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Frank,

As with others, I am not an attorney and I do not work in the legal profession.

Unless your governing documents allow that type of action, the Board would have overstepped it's authority by imposing such an action.

Now, to be honest, even with no such authority and State statutes prohibiting such action, there is nothing preventing the Association from initially taking such action. If they do this, you would need to hire an attorney and fight the issue. You should win any such legal action but you would still have to expend the time, energy and money to deal with the issue.

My suggestion is to point out to your Board what has been posted here, citing the law, etc. Then encourage them to seek a legal opinion prior to imposing any such action. If your Board has common sense, this should prevent them from taking such action.

As for what led to the action, if you are the individual the action may be taken against, I'd recommend complying with the rules and regs you agreed to follow when you moved into the development. This would prevent any such issues in the future.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Here's the thing, though, Tim. Apparently the Board didn't overstep, it's the president who "wants to impose . . .," i.e., overstep.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Carol,

The President is typically the face and voice of the Board. Therefore, when the OP says President, they may or may not be associating that with the whole board.

Either way, my advice is still applicable.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Oh, I agree that someone needs to suggest to the Board that it seek legal advice about this matter, Tim, especially if the president (or Board) actually is thinking seriously about this action.

If I were on that board, though, I'd make sure that I'm not on record supporting the president's choice. In my HOA, the Board sets policy at open meetings, not the president. The president instructs our PM to institute its policies.

but maybe that in't common in self-managed HOAs?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
No it is the same in self managed Associations. The Board sets the policy and makes the decisions.

Typically, the only authority given to an Association President by the governing documents is:

Preside at all meetings of the Board and General Membership
Be the signature for the Association on all written instruments

That is all the authority they have. The President typically have the duty to see that decisions of the Board are implemented but that is not the same as making the decision. Unfortunately, there are some individuals who don't understand what authority they have and do not have when they fill that position. Some think of the position being the same as a CEO or COO of a corporation, and it simply is not.

As I pointed out earlier, since the President presides over meetings and signs the paperwork, that individual is the face and the voice of the Association. Therefore, when the President says something, many believe that the Board has already approved the action or that the President has such positional authority.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I agree that barring the scofflaw from accessing the property would be improper and possibly agains't the law. Besides which since the OP is in Florida, whatever fine or suspension imposed by the Board MUST be approved by the fining committee before it is valid.

718.303 Obligations of owners and occupants; remedies.—
(b) A fine or suspension may not be imposed unless the association first provides at least 14 days’ written notice and an opportunity for a hearing to the unit owner and, if applicable, its occupant, licensee, or invitee. The hearing must be held before a committee of other unit owners who are neither board members nor persons residing in a board member’s household. If the committee does not agree, the fine or suspension may not be imposed.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Thanks for that reminder, Glen--nice help for the OP!

Yes, Tim, it is unfortunate that too many in HOAs think that the Board IS the president and vice versa. I try to correct that misunderstanding though. And I do know that Boards usually can, if in their documents, confer a lot of authority--even decision-making authority-- on the president. So I wondered if that happened on the OP's Board.
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
One thing the Board can do is to remove the "President" from his position. He would still be a Director (unfortunately since it isn't a recall election) but it is my understanding that if the Board takes such action, it may be used to demonstrate to a judge that the Board attempted to take care of a situation with a rogue Board member and as such, there could be some leniency for the Association should a legal case arise. Overall, a Board is supposed to represent each homeowner's legal and financial interests as members of the Association. I wish owners would recognize this when electing Board members.
FrankP10 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
JohnC46:
I appreciate your message to my situation. However, if you allow me to explain the problem in detail, maybe you can help me further..."The Rules and Regulations of the condo, clearly states that a fine of up to $100.00 can be imposed on the homeowner who committed the infraction. In addition the president of the condo assoc. also wants to impose blocking the homeowner's vehicle from using his barcode to enter the development via residential gates. The vehicle, in question, must use the main gate for vendors and guests. Is this legal, especially, when it effects his wife who also drives the same vehicle?"
Thanks
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By FrankP10 on 11/18/2013 8:52 AM

Is this legal

We can not answer if this is legal or not.
To have that question answered, you will need to consult a local attorney.

Quote:
Posted By FrankP10 on 11/18/2013 8:52 AM

The vehicle, in question, must use the main gate for vendors and guests.

Since the individual isn't being denied ingress and egress, then it very well may be an option for the Board. If I were on the Board, I would suggest that they consult the Association attorney prior to implementing that type of enforcement action.

Frank, you may want to consider asking FL Office of the Condominium Ombudsman for some clarification. Mind you, if you ask if it is legal, they will likely refer you to an attorney as well. Therefore, you may ask if the Board has the authority to do this or that.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Frank

I am not nor do I play a lawyer.

We agree the President cannot block access to the property. My personal opinion is he cannot block access to any gate, no matter how many gates there are.

I also think you have a case of a President overstepping/making up rules as he goes. This attitude is only going to get your association in trouble. Me thinks his time to go is upon you.

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