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MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Tim - Have you seen any HOA's that have liberalized the rules for political signs that are placed on their own property? IE one 24inchx24inch in member's yard or window. Outside of an HOA, Fairfax rules are fairly liberal in terms of size and timing. "Signs may be placed in owner's yard 75 days prior and must be removed 15 days after an election". Our current guidelines require approval and I do see that a lot of HOAs don't allow them at all. What's your take on this?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
We chose not to get into that can of worms and simply adopted the following rule:

"Signs, Political: Signs supporting or opposing any candidate, party or issue are prohibited on the common area."
MichaelO4 (Montana)
Posts: 40
Posted:
From our CC&Rs:
No sign of any kind shall be displayed at or near any Residence or upon any Common Area without the prior written approval of the Board except for one (1) “For Sale” sign of customary and reasonable dimensions which may be placed near the curb more of less directly in front of a Residence-for-sale for a period not to exceed ninety (90) days, after which the continued presence of any such sign shall require approval of the Board. Signage in support of declared candidates for political office may be displayed on exclusive use areas beginning 30 days prior to an election and must be removed within seven days following such election.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Michael,
No limit on the number of political signs?
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Tim - That seems a bit much to restrict them altogether and not even allow one 24x24. In the past, we required approval, but that is a royal pain. Plus hardly anyone ever filed a application, so most of the signs placements were violations. Now that creates more work for our P.M. if we truly want to enforce this rule and why have a rule on the books, if you're not going to enforce it? Just a thought.

One of our large neighbors (S.R)(Rt 50-Just over the Fairfax/Loudoun line has adopted a one sign rule and allow them to place it 14 days prior to the election. Here is some interesting feedback from S.R. residents on this issue. https://www.facebook.com/southridingprop/posts/419954054717870?comment_id=4551070&offset=0&total_comments=12
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Dave - We were contemplating either one or two.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Often there is more than one or two issues on any given ballot.

In our recent election we had a vote for Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Sheriff and a bond referendum.

I've seen signs in yards for three of the four issues.

Note: Within our Association there were zero signs. Matter of fact, the only time I saw signs were for the 2008 election.

The argument could be raised that limiting the number of signs limits freedom of speech. Worst case, does the Association really want to go through that.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
By restricting them altogether, we are definately pushing the free speech issue. Thanks Tim!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MikeS1 on 11/08/2013 6:33 AM

Tim - That seems a bit much to restrict them altogether and not even allow one 24x24.

I think you misunderstand. There is no restriction for campaign signs on the individual lot. The restriction only applies to the common areas.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Several years ago I worked on a couple of local political campaigns. I do not know whether political yard signs have any real influence on an election but candidates for office believe they do.

With political candidates believing that their yard signs are important, it comes as a surprise that elected officials have not done more to protect their turf (pun intended). There seems to be a scarcity of statutes protecting political signs from over-zealous HOA's.

Personally, I like the yard signs because they display an interest in not only a candidate or an issue but in the election itself. It helps break down voter apathy. The signs add color, something sorely lacking in most HOA communities. My recommendation is not only to allow political signs for public elections but also to allow them for HOA elections. It might help cure some of the member apathy every board member complains about.

MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
You are right Tim. I did misunderstand. Thanks for the clarification.
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
If I am not mistaken, prohibiting or limiting political signs is a violation of first-amendment rights. They are definitely considered political speech and protected under the first amendment, so this makes sense to me. Of course, this would mean that a homeowner would have to know this and sue you, which is a lot of "ifs." While I find excessive political signs to be obnoxious, I don't know that I would want to chance it on the wrong side of the law, especially where civil liberties are concerned.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Laura,

There is no federal law allowing signage and Associations and municipalities have been successful in limiting the size and location of signs. Bottom line is, laws vary and every Association should first check for any applicable laws.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Oops, I hit the enter button too soon.

Additionally, and we have had discussions on this, the First amendment prohibits Congress from abridging the freedom of speech. It technically would not apply to private organizations (however, there may be other laws that apply which do the same thing).
JohnS69 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
You should ban all political signs, unless you have a town square...

Washington Post 2/9/2013:

The feud that consumed Fairfax County’s Olde Belhaven would span four years and cost the community as much as $400,000, and it was ignited by one of the smallest of sparks: an Obama for President sign.

The modest placard Sam and Maria Farran planted in their yard during the 2008 election put them on a collision course with the neighborhood homeowners association. It was four inches taller than the association’s covenants allowed.

Most damaging of all, though, was a move probably unprecedented in area neighborhood feuds: The common area that is the literal and metaphoric heart of Olde Belhaven was put up for sale last year to settle its debts. It appeared that “the square,” as some called the neighborhood, would no longer have a square.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
John,

Actually the issue was more than that. We previously discussed the Farran case in this thread.

Here is a link to the opinion letter of that case: Case No. CL-2009-11786 .

In the Farran case, the issue was the size of the sign, not the right to display the sign. The Farrans, in my opinion, escalated the issue by choosing to cut the initial sign in half vs. simply getting a smaller sign when they received the violation letter. Yep, the Farrans were technically correct that the two halfs now met the size requirement. However, they simply could have gotten a smaller sign and not escalate the issue. Additionally, the Board could have responded to the Farrans action better than they did. However, the sign wasn't the only issue and it seems that nobody wanted to resolve the issue outside of the courts.

Personally, I believe that this was more of an issue of personality conflicts between someone/s on the Board and the Farrans. I mean, yes there was a violation (the sign was too large). However, why would anyone have taken a tape measure and measured the sign unless there was some sort of preexisting issues between the parties involved?

The Farrans did a podcast on the topic. Personally, I found the comments more interesting than the show.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
In states that have adopted the latest revision of the UCIOA, such as Connecticut, associations cannot prohibit political signs on private property or on exclusive use areas, such as limited common elements (eg, the yards surrounding homes). However, associations can adopt restrictions regarding their size, display times, etc. One clever suggestion that was made was to adopt a "non-standard" size and require that the sign be professionally made, not hand-written. The reasoning was that most sign makers make political yard signs a standard size and those running for office typically purchase large numbers of these signs to distribute to their supporters for display in their yards. It is unlikely that a politician or supporter would pay for a single sign of a non-standard size to display in someone's yard.
AlanH8 (Virginia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
In the past few years there have been a couple attempts in the Virginia Assembly to prevent HOAs from regulating political signs. The most recent was a proposed law by a delegate from the Loudoun County area. Like the others, it eventually came to naught.

I think the key is to treat all signs equally and let common sense prevail. OK, so a sign is a couple inches too big. Think about all the ramifications before you decide to push the issue. You can be absolutely right and still lose the war. Besides, it will be gone by mid-November anyhow.

Also consider seeking competent legal council. By 'component' I mean an attorney who specializes in HOA law. You may have to search a bit but they're out there. You probably don't want "Joe's Real Estate Law & Title Svc, ESQ" to handle this one (even if Joe is 'Emma's sister's boy').

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