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RonD3 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hello: I'm a member of an extended use RV Park in So. Cal. I own a membership, and have exclusive use of one RV site. The corporation owns the real estate, buildings, infrastructure and all corporate assets. Maintenance fees are collected from the members for maintenance and upkeep.

The corporation owns a large clubhouse with a meeting hall, laundry, sewing room, craft room, card room, library, gymn and more...you get the idea.

Over the years, our Board of Directors and managers have loosely followed the California Davis-Sterling law regarding homeowners associations.

My question involves the sewing room:
This room has about 20 sewing stations and a generous amount of storage. About 40 of the 280+ members have habitually left sewing machines, tools, project boxes and fabric in this room. On the question of common area use, they have stated that the room is available to anyone requesting a sewing station, even if there has to be two machines in a single station. Another rule allows a seamstress to keep one personal project in the room at a time. Also machines left for more than 2 weeks and not used must be removed. This group has a person whose job it is to assign sewing spaces.

So, is the leaving of personal items in a common area okay? As I describe it, is this a misuse of a common area?

Input, please
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
well, per what you cited, it sounds like each person can at least keep one project. If "project" isn't defined, it could be interpreted as including material, tools, etc.

Has there been complaints of individuals not being able to use the facility because of the items left behind?

Have you asked the question to the person who's job it is to assign sewing spaces?
RonD3 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
There have been complaints about lack of a sewing space lodged by some members.
Another member has complained that a "common area" should not have personal items left therein.
In the Woodshop and Metalshop, no personal items are allowed. The shop committee believes that a common area should never have personal items left in it except when someone is working on a project. Even then, no personal items are allowed to be left overnight.
The person in the sewing room whose job it is to assign spaces doesn't see a problem. She wouldn't. She wants personal items left there.
I'm just wondering what a common area is and whether or not personal items should be left therin.

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Posted By TimB4 on 11/06/2013 1:05 PM
well, per what you cited, it sounds like each person can at least keep one project. If "project" isn't defined, it could be interpreted as including material, tools, etc.

Has there been complaints of individuals not being able to use the facility because of the items left behind?

Have you asked the question to the person who's job it is to assign sewing spaces?

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Ron,

That is a policy decision that is to be made, changed or defended by your sitting committees and the HOA board of directors. It's a local issue.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Ron,

That is a policy decision that is to be made, changed or defended by your sitting committees and the HOA board of directors. It's a local issue.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I think it's a "local issue" too. If there are written Board-approved rules that projects can be left in these areas, then that's the current policy. The Board can change that rule if enough of you think it's wrong to leave personal items anywhere, and can persuade your Board.

We don't allow any items to be kept in our common areas, e.g., pool toys & towels can't be left in the pool area, party goods can't be left in our lounges, etc. Residents may not leave items in the gym. But there always has been a written policy about this in our high rise HOA.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Am I missing something? The OP is not part of an association. It is an RV Park. They rent a space for their RV. Anything else provided is provided by the park owner. No one votes. The park owners make the rules.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
John,

Ron, the OP, posted that he owns a membership in the Association.

I have to admit that I'm not real positive on how mobile home parks work beyond what the OP provided and what I read in the statutes.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
That IMHO would be an excellent qualifier. Is it someplace one simply rents space and as part of the rental is allowed to use amenities owned by whatever organization you rent from? OR Do you own the RV space and an undivided interest in the common elements, have deed restrictions which mandate a HOA and elect trustees (directors) to oversee the operation of the HOA?

If you are simply a tenant then the owners can pretty much allow anything they want as long as it doesn't violate the law. If you actually own your space and have a vote as to what goes on, then take your complaint to the Board.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Upon further reflection, even if you are only a tenant, take your complaint to the Board and see what they say.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RonD3 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I do not rent a space. I have exclusive use of the space my RV sits on, same as though this was a condo. I am a member of the association which is managed by an elected board and has maintenance staff. I paid a fee for my membership and also pay monthly maintenance fees. Various committees manage common areas depending on what the area is for. I work on the shop and gymn committees. My wife works on the Sewing Room Committee. I take part in shop policies. Wife takes part in sewing room policies.

Anyway, I'm getting the message about common area rules. They are established by various committees. What's common area to one is heresy to another.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
But, Ron, doesn't your Board of Directors have the final say concerning committees' policies? Because you're a corporation, you probably would follow CA Corporations Code, which states that the Board appoints committee members, the Board can disband committees, directors can serve on committees, etc.
RonD3 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Yes, the Board has jurisdiction over the common areas and it follows the Corporation Code...kinda-sorta. This question about use of the sewing room has been delegated by the Board to our social activities committee. The Board has directed the committee to come up with a policy that pays attention to the common area issue. However, the group that uses the sewing room interprets "common area" in a way that allows exclusivity to a limited number of users. The outcome is unpredictable.

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Posted By CarolR11 on 11/08/2013 11:55 AM
But, Ron, doesn't your Board of Directors have the final say concerning committees' policies? Because you're a corporation, you probably would follow CA Corporations Code, which states that the Board appoints committee members, the Board can disband committees, directors can serve on committees, etc.

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