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HeleneN (Connecticut)
Posts: 84
Posted:
I have just been notified via e-mail of our upcoming Annual Meeting. Of surprise to me is a ballot for the purpose of filling two vacancies on the board requiring my name and address. Also a ballot for the purpose of ratification of the budget requiring my name and address. In the past each qualified voter had to sign and be checked off
a list before they were handed their ballots. If they were holding a properly executed proxy they signed in and were handed a ballot in return, for the person they were representing. How a person voted was confidential.
WE are a Condo in Ct., incorporated. Our by-laws state that directors shall be elected by ballot. We are organized under Ct. Common Interest Ownership Act. I have referred to that but it says the same as our By-Laws. Somehow, requiring the name and address of the voter on the ballot seems like a violation. Help!?

Hope I can some good advice here.

Helene
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Helene,

There needs to be someway to verify that individuals don't vote twice.
When voting by mail, this is typically accomplished via the two envelope system.

If you are unaware of how that works, the basics are: the marked ballots are placed in a sealed envelope. This envelope is then placed inside another envelope that includes your name and return address. The election official can then mark your name off as having voted and remove the inner envelope which would be opened and counted with the other ballots when the polls close.

Since your Association sent information via e-mail, they are likely just trying to identify a way to ensure someone doesn't vote twice. What you describe certainly isn't the best way but it appears to be the way they chose.

NOTE: If your governing documents or applicable State laws require that election of directors are done via secret ballot, requiring your name on the ballot would violate that requirement. However, if your governing documents or applicable State laws do not require a secret ballot, your Board may chose the method they have chosen to ensure members don't vote twice. Again, what they are doing is not the best way to do that but it may have been all they could think of at the time.

My suggestion would be to first check your governing documents to see if there is a requirement for a secret ballot. Then contact your Board, tell them of your findings and concerns and suggest that they use the double envelope method vs. the method they have chosen. This way you are not only identifying an issue but offering a method to resolve the issue.

Hope this helps,

Tim
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Oh, I should add that many directed proxies may appear to look like ballots. Therefore, double check and make sure that the documents are ballots and not a directed proxy form.

Proxies would require the information you mentioned.
HeleneN (Connecticut)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Thanks for your quick response Tim.

I'm so rattled I probably didn't make myself clear. We are not voting by mail but in person at the Annual Meeting. We are required to have a check-in process at the location of the Annual Meeting for the purpose of confirming that each person handed a ballot is a qualified voter, not unlike voting in a town, state of federal election.

No one need know how anyone cast their vote!

Helene
JH3 (Maryland)
Posts: 67
Posted:
Helen,

We produce a proxy-ballot form for annual meetings. This form both serves as a proxy and a ballot, as the name implies. As such, the name of the voter is included on the ballot since it is the same sheet of paper. Normally this is a non-issue as the inspector of election is a 3rd party with no bearing on the election outcome.

With that said, this issue has come up before, and the simple solution for us is to cut the sheet in half. The proxies are accounted for, the votes are taken in, the voter is registered as placing a vote.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
JH,

Inspector of elections DO and CAN have a bearing on the outcome of an election, especially 3rd parties, such as a property manager. I know first hand.
JH3 (Maryland)
Posts: 67
Posted:
Yes, Ethics can be a big part of elections.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By JH3 on 11/06/2013 8:08 PM

We produce a proxy-ballot form for annual meetings. This form both serves as a proxy and a ballot, as the name implies.

I would think that it would be a proxy (general or directed) or a ballot.
I would be concerned if my Association tried to combine the two onto one form.

PaulH22 (Connecticut)
Posts: 6
Posted:
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Posted By HeleneN on 11/04/2013 12:04 PM
I have just been notified via e-mail of our upcoming Annual Meeting. Of surprise to me is a ballot for the purpose of filling two vacancies on the board requiring my name and address. Also a ballot for the purpose of ratification of the budget requiring my name and address. In the past each qualified voter had to sign and be checked off
a list before they were handed their ballots. If they were holding a properly executed proxy they signed in and were handed a ballot in return, for the person they were representing. How a person voted was confidential.
WE are a Condo in Ct., incorporated. Our by-laws state that directors shall be elected by ballot. We are organized under Ct. Common Interest Ownership Act. I have referred to that but it says the same as our By-Laws. Somehow, requiring the name and address of the voter on the ballot seems like a violation. Help!?

Hope I can some good advice here.

Helene

Helene, my reading and interpretation of the CIOA laws indicates that ballots can ONLY be used if a meeting is NOT being held. And, that can only be done if allowed by your declaration or bylaws. Since you stated that a meeting is being held, if the form distributed is not actually a proxy, anything mailed in should not be considered.

Quote:
CT CIOA Sec. 47­252. Voting. Proxies. Ballots.

(a) Unless prohibited or limited by the declaration or bylaws, unit owners may vote at a meeting in person, by a proxy pursuant to subsection (c) of this section or, when a vote is conducted without a meeting, by electronic or paper ballot pursuant to subsection (d) of this section.

BTW, our associations attorney recommends that all proxies should indicate the name of the unit owner that is granting the proxy.

HeleneN (Connecticut)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Paul, thanks for your reply. Our Declaration requires a "live" meeting and election is by ballot of the unit owners. However, this is the first time in the 8 years I have been here that ballots were sent out to the unit owners in advance of the meeting. Proxies, yes.
In the past a unit owner attending the meeting had to be checked against a list of qualified voters and when that was confirmed they were handed a ballot in exchange which not require their name or address. Not unlike going to the polls in a local, state or Federal election. No one knew who you voted for. If you were holding a proxy or proxies the check in person checked to be sure the proxy was properly executed( and yes, your name had to be on it )then you signed the list as a proxy holder and were given a ballot in exchange. Again, no one knew how you voted. Directed proxies were handled separately. I'm curious Paul, if the Declaration doesn't say 'vote by ballot' and your meeting was "live" how would you vote? Surely not by a raise of your hands!

Anyway, I have checked with an attorney and secret balloting is not required in Ct. I think there will be protests at the meeting because folks have come to expect that their vote will remain confidential.
HeleneN (Connecticut)
Posts: 84
Posted:
An update to my last post.

Here in Ct. we are required to conduct our meetings according to Robert's Rules of Order. Since our By-Laws and state statues are silent on whether a vote by ballot requires the name and address of the voter I went to Roberts Rules of Order and discovered that the reason for a ballot is to protect the identity of the voter.
After many complaints to the PM she has retracted her statement that the ballots would not be counted unless signed.
It's unfortunate that it takes volunteers to educate a paid professional. We have a new PM, sent to us from hell! Don't think she will last.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By HeleneN on 11/12/2013 3:18 AM

It's unfortunate that it takes volunteers to educate a paid professional.

The good thing is that there are educated members such as yourself that can do just that.

Thanks for the update.

Tim

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