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FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
Posted:
Well, it has happened.

I posted a few days about the "donation" of junk that was found in our beautiful clubhouse.

A forclosed owner gave a huge amount of junk, mismatched wine glasses from her travels, plastic chipped acrylic drinkware, and the worst? Personalized coffee mugs from her adventures, and some animal rights / ASPCA.. the mug actually said "Thank you Mary Jane Smith ( fake name ) for your support" and this was donated in the amount of 25 misc drink ware!

I took it upon myself to throw out the worst of the "donation", actually gave a portion of the other crap to Goodwill ( with receipt ) and left the other box of junk for the BOARD to decide if they wish to keep it. ( the answer is no)

One of the homeowners who was key in getting this lovely box of crapola got wind of the missing glassware.

Short of the long? She was a neighbor friend of mine who really did this.
She posted on my personal social media page.. essentially accusing me of "stealing the best glasses" and "leaving the rest". Told me she saw me for what I am and a few other things.

I am at a loss here. To be accused of being a thief after knowing me and my character for many years, donating countless hours as a HOA board member, literally spending my days off helping to facilitate Goodwill pick up of various abandoned community good and this happened. I am at a loss!

I did email this loon a reciept of the donation received by the charity that took it, I notified my board and my property manager of this accusation... but really

I guess I am just looking for support here. I have had many dealings with much more important items, events, money, etc on behalf of our HOA. My honesty regarding the big picture had NEVER been in question, but to be accused of stealing donated crap items that was dumped in our clubhouse just does not settle well with me.

I have been upfront with those who need to know if her accusations, and any proof of diposition of items is accounted for..
Yet, I am still even as of late as yesterday getting messages from my accuser. I considering a restraining order if this persists just to prove a point. But what is happening here is SLANDER, and legal steps can threatend. I am just at a loss.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
You seem to have a track record of putting yourself into situations that then come back to haunt you in some way.

Why would YOU take it upon yourself to "handle" the settlement of this crap? Sit back, wait for the Board to make the enormous decision where to discard this garbage and stay out of it.

Now because some loon questions your honesty you feel the need to defend your actions which makes the rantings of this fool even more glaring. Cut ties with this idiot and understand dealing with people like this serves you in no way.

And in the future DON'T TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO DO ANYTHING! Perhaps that might avoid some if not all of the issues you find yourself with.

And for God's Sake stay OFF the social media BS. That is for children and fools whose lives are so empty posting what theyn had for breakfast becomes the highlight of their day.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By FionaC1 on 10/26/2013 7:26 AM

I took it upon myself . . .

The simple question is, did you have the authority to do this?

Are you designated as the clubhouse Officer? If yes, then you had authority.

Did the Board authorize you to make the determination on what to keep/toss? If yes, then you had the authority.

If you didn't have the authority then, to be honest, you shouldn't have done it.
That said, if you didn't have the authority I certainly wouldn't consider you a thief. However, I would point out that without proper authority you were in the wrong and the perception others have of the issue you may have to deal with.

If you did have authority, a letter to the individual and/or community simply stating that this was a board decision should resolve any perception issues.

I would also encourage you to encourage your Board to come up with a donation policy for the clubhouse.
FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
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Posted By JonD1 on 10/26/2013 7:54 AM
You seem to have a track record of putting yourself into situations that then come back to haunt you in some way.

Why would YOU take it upon yourself to "handle" the settlement of this crap? Sit back, wait for the Board to make the enormous decision where to discard this garbage and stay out of it.

Now because some loon questions your honesty you feel the need to defend your actions which makes the rantings of this fool even more glaring. Cut ties with this idiot and understand dealing with people like this serves you in no way.

And in the future DON'T TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO DO ANYTHING! Perhaps that might avoid some if not all of the issues you find yourself with.

And for God's Sake stay OFF the social media BS. That is for children and fools whose lives are so empty posting what theyn had for breakfast becomes the highlight of their day.

Jon,
The social media is KEY for for the charity work I do. I guess you may think I am postin pictures of my cereal... no this is used for the fundraising, event planning and organization of such events. SO YES I use my facebook page.. wholly for that purpose. I just happened to have this neighbor as I do others for that purpose.

Your assumption of "getting" into trouble with stuff like this is NOT shared by our board. I had the blessings of our board to do what I did....... so the backing is there, but the homeowner's claims are concerning, her posts to my page clearly poked at my character, claiming I stole something..
I guess for any board member to have character called into place is bad, but being called a theif is horrible.. especially when it can be proven otherwise.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By FionaC1 on 10/26/2013 8:05 AM

I had the blessings of our board to do what I did....... so the backing is there, but the homeowner's claims are concerning, her posts to my page clearly poked at my character, claiming I stole something..

However, that individual didn't know that you had the authority to do this and was acting at the direction of the Board.

Simply explain it.

Yes, that individual should have asked you first, but that is that individuals character flaw. Their feelings were likely hurt because they though that they were doing a good thing by donating it. They may have wanted it back if the Association didn't want it. Perhaps that should have been done. Hard to tell.

I know that my Church has actually kept many organs donated to the them simply because the individual who donated them still attends. The Church's board of trustees would rather store the items than go through the issues you are.
FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/26/2013 8:16 AM
Posted By FionaC1 on 10/26/2013 8:05 AM

I had the blessings of our board to do what I did....... so the backing is there, but the homeowner's claims are concerning, her posts to my page clearly poked at my character, claiming I stole something..


However, that individual didn't know that you had the authority to do this and was acting at the direction of the Board.

Simply explain it.

Yes, that individual should have asked you first, but that is that individuals character flaw. Their feelings were likely hurt because they though that they were doing a good thing by donating it. They may have wanted it back if the Association didn't want it. Perhaps that should have been done. Hard to tell.

I know that my Church has actually kept many organs donated to the them simply because the individual who donated them still attends. The Church's board of trustees would rather store the items than go through the issues you are.

I have asked our board to erect a Donation Policy and that any item donated to the HOA will be revewied by the board as a whole, not a board member, committee memeber etc. and it will be the boards discretion to keep, trash or donate.

Thinking this is a great answer to any further issues. The glasses appeared in the clubhouse as a committee member put them there. They have access and they left the garbage.. without board approaval. THAT was the catalyst to the whole issue.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By FionaC1 on 10/26/2013 8:19 AM

I have asked our board to erect a Donation Policy and that any item donated to the HOA will be revewied by the board as a whole, not a board member, committee memeber etc. and it will be the boards discretion to keep, trash or donate.

Fiona,

Why don't you write the Resolution then present it to the Board for comment and approval.

Include in the policy what items will and won't be considered.
Identify in the policy that chipped or cracked items will not be accepted.

I've found that many people are willing to agree to something after someone else does the work. They just don't want to do the work. Therefore, use that to your advantage and start the issue by actually writing the proposal.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I kind of think it's a matter of "Personal taste" involved here as well. Who designated you as the "taste" authority? No offense where when I state that. One man's junk is another man's "treasure". I can't judge myself that ALL the donations were truly "junk". Wine glasses can be used again. Chipped mugs not so much but for craft/storage options. I use my crack mugs for hand painting projects or old mugs to keep odds and ends in.

With that said, my approach would have been slightly different than yours. First off, not declaring the stuff "Junk" and promptly sending it off to donation land. That may come off a bit "rude" of which you got the "Thief" title for. It's called using a bit of "TACT".

Your HOA clubhouse should not be a dumping ground and be weary of the tax donation effect on your taxes. It's NOT like an individual making the donation when it comes to CORPORATION donating. Talk to your accountant/MC for more details on how to properly donate in a non-profit corporation. Not saying it's a bad thing to do, but it's not like you as an individual donating or having a yard sale. Which the latter really would effect your taxes more.

Instead I would have had a day once or twice a year that the members can come into the clubhouse and sift through the "Junk". It would be understood that the members can keep what they find in the pile and the rest determined to be charity/junk tossed out. This way it is all fair game and one can find a treasure despite personal opinion if it is "junk" just to one person. Plus it's a chance to get rid of it for free and be clear of "judgement".

Former HOA President
FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/26/2013 8:59 AM
I kind of think it's a matter of "Personal taste" involved here as well. Who designated you as the "taste" authority? No offense where when I state that. One man's junk is another man's "treasure". I can't judge myself that ALL the donations were truly "junk". Wine glasses can be used again. Chipped mugs not so much but for craft/storage options. I use my crack mugs for hand painting projects or old mugs to keep odds and ends in.

With that said, my approach would have been slightly different than yours. First off, not declaring the stuff "Junk" and promptly sending it off to donation land. That may come off a bit "rude" of which you got the "Thief" title for. It's called using a bit of "TACT".

Your HOA clubhouse should not be a dumping ground and be weary of the tax donation effect on your taxes. It's NOT like an individual making the donation when it comes to CORPORATION donating. Talk to your accountant/MC for more details on how to properly donate in a non-profit corporation. Not saying it's a bad thing to do, but it's not like you as an individual donating or having a yard sale. Which the latter really would effect your taxes more.

Instead I would have had a day once or twice a year that the members can come into the clubhouse and sift through the "Junk". It would be understood that the members can keep what they find in the pile and the rest determined to be charity/junk tossed out. This way it is all fair game and one can find a treasure despite personal opinion if it is "junk" just to one person. Plus it's a chance to get rid of it for free and be clear of "judgement".

Melissa,
I guess I didn't really post clearly the issue at hand. Our HOA was making a donation to the local charity with board approval etc. It was ME that designated to head this and make arrangements for the pick up. It was THAT morning I went to the clubhouse to gather the arranged items. The glasses were sitting there.. leaving me to assume it was all meant for charity pick up along with everything else!! I didn't donate everything and looking back, I should of.. because NOBODY communicated to ME that this "stuff" was NOT meant for pick up. Used personalized mugs with prior owners names on it sound like Salvation Army goods does it not? It all should of left then I could of just blamed the poor communicator, the one who claims I am a theif..
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
And there where lies the problem... You. Sorry but you made yourself the burden of this drama. Not to sound callous in anyway, but you put a face on the issue. If it wasn't you, then it would have been another board member. Just sayin... There was going to be an issue with this regardless. Your the one that just got "picked" to take it.

Believe me, I've been where your at and it's not enjoyable. No good deed goes unpunished. So just suck it up and move on. Best you can do. Letting the other stuff that's not true bother you, makes it look more true. I find the stuff drop off my back like a duck, tends not to stick and goes away. If it stays, then it must mean I feel guilty about something. That's the way others may view it as well. Your not a thief, then your not a thief and move on.

Former HOA President
FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
Posted:
OH HOW RIGHT YOU ARE.. I just hate having a resident saying what she about me, or if it was anyone else for that matter. However, the proof has been given to her and the others. Even as late as yesterday I was receiving text messages from this person wanting to discuss a dead horse. I have to consider the source and understand that accusations without proof only to hav proof of evidence make the claimer look like a loon. Which she is.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions is it NOT??
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Honey I got called "Dictator" and compared to "Hitler" when I was President. Both to my face and behind it. Considering that I saved our HOA and increased sales several thousands of dollars. You could call me whatever you wanted, as long as I got the job done. Which I did.

Former HOA President
FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/26/2013 10:44 AM
Honey I got called "Dictator" and compared to "Hitler" when I was President. Both to my face and behind it. Considering that I saved our HOA and increased sales several thousands of dollars. You could call me whatever you wanted, as long as I got the job done. Which I did.

HA! I'd rather be called Hitler than a theif.

However people do NOT realize posting things on social media can turn into legal issues! Which I pointed out to our board.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Fiona

I am not a big user of social media but one thing that should be critical would be to keep things separate like business and social.

I had a major business issue one time when business and social crossed over. I promised then and there, never again.

JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Some people just have a knack for pulling themselves into drama.

"I took it upon myself" becomes "what has happened".

And a friend who now labels you a thief well chaces are they were not much of a friend to begin with. Nor should you allow them in your life at any level EVER AGAIN.

And here's a thought BLOCK her from posting to your Facebook page!

Social media is a tool that can be easily abused. Especially when you fail to retain contol and limit its use.

But lets go to the authorities, threaten legal action, and by all means keep claiming your innocence and that should clam things right down. Yeah right.

My guess Fiona won't go to long without yet another "issue" she fell into but can't see SHE put herself right in the middle of things.

Either change your behavior or accept more of the same.

FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
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Posted By JonD1 on 10/26/2013 1:27 PM
Some people just have a knack for pulling themselves into drama.

"I took it upon myself" becomes "what has happened".

And a friend who now labels you a thief well chaces are they were not much of a friend to begin with. Nor should you allow them in your life at any level EVER AGAIN.

And here's a thought BLOCK her from posting to your Facebook page!

Social media is a tool that can be easily abused. Especially when you fail to retain contol and limit its use.

But lets go to the authorities, threaten legal action, and by all means keep claiming your innocence and that should clam things right down. Yeah right.

My guess Fiona won't go to long without yet another "issue" she fell into but can't see SHE put herself right in the middle of things.

Either change your behavior or accept more of the same.


Jon, really.. I am not sure why you feel the need to goung me on here. Our board was well aware of what happened why things went where they were. Guess is, that if it wasn't me it would of been someone else being called a theif ok? No I am going ot the authorities but the truth is that harassment on social media and posting slander is against the law.... as simple as it sounds it's something that has caused me to remove keep tight my social media networking page.

IT is a lesson learned. This person has known me for 11 years, has knocked on my door for many issues, has been to my home and has had me over for coffee... She has seen what we have all done not just me for HOA. My board backs me, but you seem to think I somehow allowed this to happen?? How would I have known someone forgot their meds that day and totally went off. I did recieve an apology texted to me today.. and it's not accepted. I know there is no reason to maintain a friendship after that you are right. It proves you do NOT know who your neighbors even after almost 11 years people behavior is well, shocking!

Your opinion of me is pretty harsh. I hope you are less judging to those in your complex and HOA and board. This individual is one who sits at board meetings, bitches about things but doesnt' do anything to help at al she has texted me to let me know a fellow baord member has her dog in a common are unleashed.. but won't report it to management, nor approach anyone about it as "she doesn't want to get involved". Lives with neighbors who are loud and bitches about it, doesn't report it and declines getting involved. She must of sucked up her entire years worth of bravery to post on the computer... really. Its done,but lesson learned.

1.) New rules regarding donations to HOA
2.) Provide reciepts for any purchases, donations etc in writing
3.) DO not allow committee members access to the cluhouse with keys... this is why the stuff wound up where it did.. period,
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Fiona language is everything. You posted: I took it upon myself not the Board asked me to... So you can see where your fellow posters might assume that you were at fault.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
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Fiona wrote:"... I am not sure why you feel the need to goung me on here."

No one is goung (sic) you here.

This is a public forum.

You have chosen to post here.

Others have chosen to as well.

Others may not ageee with you.

It does appear you choose to put yourself in situations where you may not have thought out the consequences.

What type of relief did you expect by posting a, that is, 'my feelings are hurt' blog on an HOA Community Leaders forum anyways?

You're just asking for more of the same.

JonD1
Posts: 2,350
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So in the end Fiona it would appear everyone else is to blame and you see yourself as having NO role in this.

IMO you allow yourself to be put in positions where you then are left holding the bag and can't figure out why. As you describe here about your neighbor complaining to you and asking YOU make complaints or bring this violation to the Board because they don't want to bother. About how people arrive at your home to discuss Board issues and you allow this to take place rather than sending them on their way.

The truth is YOU put yourself in these situations. And the only behavior you can change is yours. So perhaps you might consider YOUR role in all of this or you can expect future complications to find you.

NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Fiona - Cut ties with this woman and understand continuing to deal with her serves no purpose. I know it is hard to give up a friend of 11 years, but ask yourself how good of a friend was she to continue to carry on about some glasses that weren't even hers. You have gotten some good advise on how to handle future donations. Put this advise into use and forget all the other put downs from this forum. It's hard to let a friend go after 11 years, but, it can be done. Ignor her and don't respond to anything she has to say. If it gets worse, tell her to write the Board with her complaint. Then the Board can respond to her. Good luck
FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
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Posted By JonD1 on 10/27/2013 5:02 AM
So in the end Fiona it would appear everyone else is to blame and you see yourself as having NO role in this.

IMO you allow yourself to be put in positions where you then are left holding the bag and can't figure out why. As you describe here about your neighbor complaining to you and asking YOU make complaints or bring this violation to the Board because they don't want to bother. About how people arrive at your home to discuss Board issues and you allow this to take place rather than sending them on their way.

The truth is YOU put yourself in these situations. And the only behavior you can change is yours. So perhaps you might consider YOUR role in all of this or you can expect future complications to find you.


You are one judemental....... I am amazed with how well you know me.. carry on Jon. Your advise has been taken.. and the rest trashed just like the glasses. Many thanks.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By FionaC1 on 10/26/2013 2:42 PM

I did recieve an apology texted to me today.. and it's not accepted.

Fiona,

I'd suggest accepting the apology. It's simply not healthy to hold a grudge.
The individual apparently found out that they were wrong and are trying to correct there error.

I'm not saying to pretend it never happened (I doubt that can be done). I'm saying take the apology for what it is, an admission of error on their part and that they are sorry they did it and move on.

Other than the apology, what else would you have them do to correct the issue?
If you know what that is, ask them to do it.
If you don't know what else can be done, than accept the apology.

JonD1
Posts: 2,350
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Posted By FionaC1 on 10/27/2013 9:10 AM
Posted By JonD1 on 10/27/2013 5:02 AM
So in the end Fiona it would appear everyone else is to blame and you see yourself as having NO role in this.

IMO you allow yourself to be put in positions where you then are left holding the bag and can't figure out why. As you describe here about your neighbor complaining to you and asking YOU make complaints or bring this violation to the Board because they don't want to bother. About how people arrive at your home to discuss Board issues and you allow this to take place rather than sending them on their way.

The truth is YOU put yourself in these situations. And the only behavior you can change is yours. So perhaps you might consider YOUR role in all of this or you can expect future complications to find you.



You are one judemental....... I am amazed with how well you know me.. carry on Jon. Your advise has been taken.. and the rest trashed just like the glasses. Many thanks.

Well Fiona you have come to this site on more than one occasion finding yourself in some situation that somehow finds its way into your life without you being able to see YOU contribute to what has happened. My comments are not judgment but rather observations. Perhaps you find it easier not to consider my judgments when you label them as such..

IMO you seem to be unable to set limits as to what you involve yourself in. You can't maintain a healthy distance between you and others that clearly are using you. And you seem to have a strong need to have others think well of you. If someone claims you are a thief and that is not true than there would be no need to go on the offensive proving them wrong. Nor would what some less than true "friend" or neighbor claim hold much water for me. By making a federal case out of this all you give their claims credence.

So carry on and I will sit back and wait for the next time you can't fathom how you come to certain points in your life that complicate your actions and in which you have NO role.

Insanity is doing things the same way over and over again and expecting different results.

The next time someone knocks on your door wishing to inform you about their being a violation of the rules simply explain you are not the one woman enforcement arm of the Board and you don't take complaints at your home and require the full Board to be informed through normal operating procedures. Might just work wonders.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Fiona,

No, I think you were being 'razzed' or teased a bit by your neighbor more than be called a "thief." The real point is that unsolicited donations is the lazy resident's way of not taking it to the dump or to the donation center. That's how I see it. Unsolicited residential donation, especially when the trend is to dump those things that would NOT be sellable in a garage sale, can be handled just as you handled it, especially when everyone knows the game.

Your reply to your friend should note the crap was dumped on the clubhouse because people are too lazy to properly dispose of it. Going forward, let the board know what's happening with donations and whether or not they want the clubhouse full of yard sale rejects. They'll back you. If not, they're fools and you should detach from this particular worry and let the clubhouse counters fill with boxes of old glassware and the like.
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
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Accept apology.
SherryD (Michigan)
Posts: 1
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All other things aside; first get off social media. Second block the person and do not engage. Third if it continues consult a lawyer. To be called a thief in a public forum is defamation. I just joined a board this week and have already suffered 3 attacks personal life. If those were to appear on Facebook or LinkedIn they could impact my career, my day job as a professional of 25 years, which is in excellent standing.

Be very clear what is on the internet will stay until the end of time if this person calls you a thief in the land of computers I don't care what your error was it was crossing a line.

This is my biggest concern with being on the board. Stop being emotional and be rational. First get away from the 'beautiful club house' for a while. Distance yourself. Refuse to discuss the situation with others and notify and social moderators of the situation. If it continues contact a lawyer.

Then consider removing yourself from the situation, permanently. Friends losing their homes is emotional and people are irrational. The removal of items, however damaged, that may have been personal to someone who was foreclosed on may have been traumatic to someone. There may be others coming up on foreclosure who can't bear to throw out things so they will 'donate' them to cope with the emotional stress. You then put yourself on the firing line by purging the emotional items.

Consider working out an arrangement with a women's shelter that will come and take household items left at the clubhouse and post a notice of this 'community partnership'.

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