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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
We are a senior community in NE. Our building has 43 condominium units with 31 parking stalls in the building. Our garage has electrical outlets. At this time we have two residents who use mobility carts. One has been charging his cart using the electrical outlet in the garage. I just called his wife to ask how heavy his cart is. I am thinking it is too heavy to place on the elevator to take to their unit it charge, but am not certain about this as his wife wasn't certain how heavy it is.

There has been some Board discussion as to whether or not we should allow this as it increases the electrical fee for the common areas. The owner has offered to pay any additional electrical that he uses to charge his cart.

I am kind of thinking since the electrical outlets are located in the common area we cannot prevent him or anyone else from using these outlets to charge their mobility carts. Another line of thinking I am going on is related to the American with Disabilities Act. I haven't actually read this law, but I hope to read it before our next annual meeting because our President wants to place allowing these common electrical outlets to charge personal items to a member vote.

I appreicate all comments.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Bonnie,

First of all, I wouldn't put it on a vote.

There are charging stations available for electric vehicles. Therefore, I suspect that there are pay for use electrical stations for other items. Look into if these are available and then simply install them. This way, those who want to use the outlets will pay for them. This also keeps others from complaining about paying for someone else to charge their electrical items.

I suggest that you actually read the Act by visiting the ada.gov website. I don't see how an Association footing the bill so someone's electrical scooter can be charged is part of the Act. As you said, it can go in the elevator and charged at his residence.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Thanks, Tim, This is a great help. I was having second thoughts about putting it to a member vote.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Along with Tim, I'd say the Board decides on this one. It's a policy matter that the board should deal with.

We have 2-3 residents who use mobility scooters. They keep them and charge them in their units and come & go with them on the elevators.

HOA Members should not have to foot the bill for the extra electricity.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I agree with Carol. The association should not be footing the bill for their use of association electricity.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Bonnie,

There may be other companies. I did a search on the internet for "pay per use electrical outlets" and same up with this site (click link).

I have no idea if the company or product is good, bad or indifferent.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
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Posted By BonnieG1 on 10/26/2013 6:57 AM
We are a senior community in NE. Our building has 43 condominium units with 31 parking stalls in the building. Our garage has electrical outlets. At this time we have two residents who use mobility carts. One has been charging his cart using the electrical outlet in the garage. I just called his wife to ask how heavy his cart is. I am thinking it is too heavy to place on the elevator to take to their unit it charge, but am not certain about this as his wife wasn't certain how heavy it is.

The ADA has little to nothing to do with HOAs. However, the Fair Housing Act does require HOAs to make reasonable accommodations (in its CCRs, rules, etc.) for residents with disabilities.

However, is allowing one to charge a mobility cart a reasonable accommodation?

If by a mobility cart you are referring to either a "scooter" or an electric wheelchair there should be no reason why it can't be taken to the unit on an elevator. True, they are heavy, but they weigh less than an adult human being. In fact, a normal, healthy adult can lift one. I know this first hand because my wife has used both.

Furthermore, what does this person do when going shopping or to the doctor? To reach a different level the person has to be able to take it on an elevator. These vehicles are made to go on elevators. Weight is not the issue as long as your elevator is big enough (and most are) to accommodate the vehicle's size.
FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BruceF1 on 10/26/2013 10:41 AM
Posted By BonnieG1 on 10/26/2013 6:57 AM
We are a senior community in NE. Our building has 43 condominium units with 31 parking stalls in the building. Our garage has electrical outlets. At this time we have two residents who use mobility carts. One has been charging his cart using the electrical outlet in the garage. I just called his wife to ask how heavy his cart is. I am thinking it is too heavy to place on the elevator to take to their unit it charge, but am not certain about this as his wife wasn't certain how heavy it is.

The ADA has little to nothing to do with HOAs. However, the Fair Housing Act does require HOAs to make reasonable accommodations (in its CCRs, rules, etc.) for residents with disabilities.

However, is allowing one to charge a mobility cart a reasonable accommodation?

If by a mobility cart you are referring to either a "scooter" or an electric wheelchair there should be no reason why it can't be taken to the unit on an elevator. True, they are heavy, but they weigh less than an adult human being. In fact, a normal, healthy adult can lift one. I know this first hand because my wife has used both.

Furthermore, what does this person do when going shopping or to the doctor? To reach a different level the person has to be able to take it on an elevator. These vehicles are made to go on elevators. Weight is not the issue as long as your elevator is big enough (and most are) to accommodate the vehicle's size.

This should really be reviewed by either an atty or the fair housing act. We had a homeownwer ask for reasonable accommodations which was denied by the Board of directors at the time.
It took some research, but he board was wrong in their hasty judement.. and was informed after the correct information was given they intended to go legal unless reasonable request was provided.. and it was..
SusanM22 (Florida)
Posts: 154
Posted:
"The ADA has little to nothing to do with HOAs. However, the Fair Housing Act does require HOAs to make reasonable accommodations (in its CCRs, rules, etc.) for residents with disabilities." Absolutely correct as to ADA and associations.

As far as FHA, associations are required to show flexibility to a disabled person request and allow specific "accomodations" or "enhancements" as requested. The association, however, is NOT required to foot the bill of the disabled person.
SusanM22 (Florida)
Posts: 154
Posted:
Allow me to add something I left out. There are instances where ADA may apply to community associations if and when the community has "transient" guests. This is not uncommon in resort type Condos in coastal areas where the absentee owners are allowed by the Declaration to rent their units as "short term vacation" or "seasonal" rentals. A perfect example of ADA's requirement in a Condo with short term rentals would be a "pool lift" for handicapped people.

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