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TedR (Arizona)
Posts: 4
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We have a small HOA of 32 residences. We have 2 mailbox clusters of 16 compartments each. Two additional residences are being built on the remaining vacant lots within our complex. As a result, 2 additional compartments will need to be added resulting in the replacement of the existing 16 compartment clusters. Is this the financial responsibility of the HOA, or should the developer of the 2 new residences be responsible for paying for the new mailboxes? (Estimated cost to replace existing clusters is $3,300.)
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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I would see this as a community expense. Why didn't these clusters exist before if the lots would have eventually been developed?
TedR (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks for your input.

The lots being developed were a part of the original developer's fenced backyard from 1985 until several months ago. With the owner's passing a couple of months ago, the Estate decided to tear down the fence and put the lots up for sale. This situation was not anticipated when the two 16 compartment clusters where installed 28 years ago.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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I see this as something the developer should install (if the developer is still in play). Otherwise, the people who are to be responsible for the upkeep of the cluster boxes should be the one paying the cost.

BTW, don't forget to check with your local post office to be sure the boxes are regulation.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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Our mailbox clusters are on our reserves schedule. Are yours?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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If I understand correctly, you now have two clusters each with 16 mailboxes for a total of 32. With the addition of two more homes, you will need 34 boxes. I assume that you will keep one cluster as is and will add the two new boxes to the other cluster.

I am not familiar with PO regulations, but is there some reason that a new 2-unit cluster cannot be added in close proximity to one of the sixteen-unit clusters. I would think that would be a lot less costly than ripping out perfectly good mailboxes.

Who installed and paid for the original mailboxes? Developer of HOA? Do your CC&R's address the issue of mailboxes? Without knowing more, it seems to me that if the builder wants to sell a home where the buyers may receive mail then he needs to provide the means for that to happen.

TedR (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
TimB4 - The original developer is out of the picture. It's going to be tough sell to tell the current residents that they have to come up with $3,300 to pay for mailboxes for their new neighbors. Thanks for your input.

CarolR11 - We are a very small HOA and new clusters were not on our radar.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Ted as Larry pointed out, why do you need new clusters? Why can't you add two additional boxes beside the clusters?

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TedR (Arizona)
Posts: 4
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LarryB13 - Good questions. The $3,300 estimate was provided by the mailbox provider. While it may be more cost effective to add a new 2 or 4 box cluster to the mailbox pad, we have a concern about how such a configuration would look. This aesthetic issue aside, the responsibility for the additional cost is still a question.

The original mailboxes were installed by the developer in 1985 (included in the purchase price for each house). They were replaced about 10 years ago because they had become really dated and looked terrible. The HOA paid for the replacement. I concur that it seems that the new developer needs to provide a means for the mail to be delivered, but I'd like to know if there is some precedent in this regard.

Thanks...
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By TedR on 10/23/2013 9:26 PM
LarryB13 - Good questions. The $3,300 estimate was provided by the mailbox provider. While it may be more cost effective to add a new 2 or 4 box cluster to the mailbox pad, we have a concern about how such a configuration would look.

Why not ask the members if they feel it worth a hundred bucks each to have aesthetically pleasing mailboxes? Even if the developer agrees that installing the new mailboxes are his responsibility I doubt that he is going to foot the bill for new mailboxes for everyone.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Ironically, mailbox clusters are rare and not necessarily offered by the Post office any more. They are mostly contracted out now to outside sources. Which there are just a few available. It used to be that one could purchase such things from the USPS. I would look for a few options online and talk to the USPS on their regulations. Mailboxes do have legal requlations in regards to size and how high they are off the ground. Should be a free brochure in your local post office to help.

My believe is that the developer building the units are responsible for providing the mail access. That is NOT the HOA. Now, the HOA may develop a new option. Our HOA has cluster boxes and over 100 of them. What we did is to build a "House" like structure around the boxes. It's at the very front of the complex. It has a roof, an alcove area, and a place for a bulletin board. It's like a miniature "bus stop" but with the structure matching the homes. If you would like something aesthetically pleasing to look at that is a good option. That option then I would say would be something the HOA would have to pay for after the new mailbox clusters are installed.

Remember when you say the HOA pays for something, that cost is split amongst ALL the HOA members. When you state that the developer should pay, the money comes out of the developer's pocket. I think combining the two where the developer may buy the new mailboxes and the HOA a "cover" structure around it, may be a good option to explore here. It will be nearly impossible to find matching mailbox clusters now a days. So maybe a compromise may be in store to make the boxes more appealing and offering some protection.

Former HOA President
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/23/2013 10:33 PM
Ironically, mailbox clusters are rare

Absolutely false!

An article by CNN on July 29, 2013 indicates that the Post Office is pushing for more cluster boxes instead of door-to-door delivery as a way to save money. The article reports that Rep. Darrell Issa from California would like to see door-to-door delivery done away with completely; not just in new developments. Imagine, neighborhood cluster mailboxes on every street corner. How will that be paid for in private neighborhoods?

Anyway, cluster mailboxes are still being installed around here because it's a P.O. requirement that they be used in every new residential or commercial development.

Not rare, but on the increase!
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Are there even more vacant lots? Would it make sense to add another cluster, even though only 2 will be used immediately?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Yes that is a new thing the Post office is considering. They are wanting to go to a "cluster" mailbox system where neighborhoods have one box at the end of the street to go to. It would save the Post office time and money to operate this way. However, that does NOT mean the supply of those type of mailboxes exist and are in storage somewhere. They would have to find contractors/companies to build them new mailboxes clusters. Supply and demand drives the industry. Right now there is no high demand for those cluster of boxes so the supply is limited. Once the Post office approves this change, then there will indeed be a supply of cluster mailboxes available.

The last I checked there were like 3 companies maybe that does the cluster mailboxes. One I think was out of B'ham. I am sure they loved to hear the CNN report to improve their business. Until that happens, I am sorry to say the supply and expense for these type boxes are still rare and high.

Former HOA President
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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All of the high rise condos in my neighborhood and the commercial high rises too have cluster mailboxes. For the few here who are in high rise HOAs: it's a pretty good idea to have them on your reserves schedule.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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I would say the developer/builder is expected to provide the appropriate mailbox. It is not a function of the association.

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