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As a HOA board member, would you rather an investor to pay off the HOAs lien and don't have to worry about the accumulation of interest, late fee & ot

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MaiN (Maryland)
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okay so new laws were passed by the Maryland General Assembly in 2013 regarding association liens and closed condo board meetings.

The law went into effect as of Oct 1, I believe. The law limits the liability of condo and homeowners asociations to foreclose on liens which include charges other than assessments, and reasonable costs and attorneys fees "directly related to the fitting of the lien and not exceeding the amount of the lien".

The Maryland General Assembly also passed a bill to allow condominium boards to meet in closed session to consider the terms of a business transaction in the negotiating stage, if disclosure would adversely affect the economic interests of the condominium.

The first law seems to work against us but as I see the second should work in our favor. We just need to ensure in MD nonjudicially foreclose, we specify in the CC&R that "any lien placed by the HOA will be a superior lien to any mortgage lien placed on the property AFTER THE DATE OF THE CCRs."

Any thoughts and/or advice??
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Mai,

Most states have chosen to make mortgage liens superior to HOA liens. If that were not the case, lenders would be reluctant to write mortgages for HOA or condo properties. In the long run, allowing the associations to have a superior lien may limit sales to those who can pay cash.

MaiN (Maryland)
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Thanks, Larry. You're right, great point. I didn't think of that.

Maybe not across the board...only applicable to HOA in an area that is attractive to mortgage lenders where employment is high, top earnings with great leisure attributes, educational attributes, low crime, and good air quality, etc. in other words, the area that the lender can't resist???!Any thoughts?
AnnH5 (Florida)
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To answer the question, no. It truly hasn't been worth it in our HOA. What happens is that the Certificate of Title is sold at auction to satisfy the lien. UNLESS nobody bids. Then the HOA ends up with the Certificate of Title. HOAs should not be in the business to be landlords. And if someone does bid to satisfy the lien, what you will likely end up with is an "investor" who will then rent out the property until the bank forecloses. These have not typically been the sort of people who are in it for the long haul. Their goal is to get as much money as they can (their "investment" back and then as much as they can milk it for after that). Since these "investors" are not really "vested" into the property, they are not always going to care about the maintenance or the quality of renter or the enforcement of the restrictions. Then, if you are the homeowner who is living next to the HOA foreclosure, it isn't exactly driving up your property values. The "quality of life" in the neighborhood did not improve with the HOA foreclosing on liens.

The best things our HOA ever did to collect was to offer "amnesty" to homeowners who were willing to pay in full and waive the late fees and interest to sweeten the deal. We ended up with a few people who took advantage of it. My advice is if your Association is willing to reach out and offer to work with delinquent homeowners, you might end up with better results.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By MaiN on 10/23/2013 10:49 AM

The first law seems to work against us but as I see the second should work in our favor.

Mia,

Who are you referring to as "us" and "our" in your Statement?

As Melissia likes to post, there is no us and them in an Association. It's you and your neighbors.

BTW: here is a summary of the new MD laws from an attorney's newsletter.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Tim, thank you for the link. That explained a lot.

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Posted By MaiN on 10/23/2013 10:49 AM

new laws were passed by the Maryland General Assembly in 2013 regarding association liens . . .

The law limits the liability of condo and homeowners asociations to foreclose on liens which include charges other than assessments, and reasonable costs and attorneys fees "directly related to the fitting of the lien and not exceeding the amount of the lien".

The law limits their ability to foreclose, not their liabilty.

The statute limits associations to foreclosing only for unpaid assessments. Fines can no longer be the basis for foreclosure. (There are a number of other states with similar states, including my own.) The law also limits the amount that an attorney may charge for his services to the amount of the unpaid assessments. It will be difficult in the future for associations to forclose for small amounts because attorneys will not be able to recover enough fees. You are correct, this is not good news for associations.

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Posted By MaiN on 10/23/2013 10:49 AM

We just need to ensure in MD nonjudicially foreclose, we specify in the CC&R that "any lien placed by the HOA will be a superior lien to any mortgage lien placed on the property AFTER THE DATE OF THE CCRs."

Tim's link also discussed another statute and I think you may be confused as to which goes with what.

There is apparently now a new MD statute that addresses refinancing first mortgages. In the past, when a person refinanced a first mortgage, a second mortgage lender could claim that his lien was superior because it predated the refinance of the first mortgage. This has nothing to do with association liens.

There is also a new statute that permits the buyer of a property to non-judicially evict squatters if it appears that they have abandoned the property. Otherwise, the new owner must evict the squatters with a court action. Again, this does not pertain to associations and does not authorize non-judicial foreclosures.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Not to get in the weeds over state law, but to answer your question - YES, if an investor was willing to reimburse the HOA for legal fees and delinquent mandatory dues, then the HOA board should greatly consider waiving interest and late fees. The goal is to create a dues-paying unit where one currently does not exist. It's taking the long view of the situation.
MaiN (Maryland)
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Firstly, thanks so much for overwhelming advice and thoughts. Greatly appreciate you guys' inputs.

Lastly, just to pick up on Kelly's point, should the investor then be better off approaching HOA's Board of Directors first and convince them of the collaboration on the business opportunity OR should the investors approach the law firm that takes care of the lien??? Advices and/or thoughts on the pros and cons of each?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By MaiN on 10/24/2013 8:00 AM

Should the investor then be better off approaching HOA's Board of Directors first and convince them of the collaboration on the business opportunity OR should the investors approach the law firm that takes care of the lien??? Advices and/or thoughts on the pros and cons of each?

The HOA has no property interest in a home in arrears until it receives title as a result of foreclosure. Therefore, neither the HOA nor the law firm are in any position to bargain before that occurs. The investor may, however, extinguish the lien by paying it off in full.

I am not sure what you mean by "collaboration on the business opportunity," but associations are not usually in the business of wheeling and dealing in real estate. Given the usual lack of sophistication of HOA board members I would expect the HOA to come out on the short end of the stick were it to crawl into bed with real estate investors.

If an investor is looking for an opportunity he should approach the owners who are in arrears and make a deal with them. Whatever bargain the investor strikes with the homeowners, someone still owes the assessments and late fees. The board has no obligation to cut a deal with the investor and likely has no power to do so. In fact, the board would be wise to discourage investors from buying in their association as investors bring in renters.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By LarryB13 on 10/24/2013 8:29 AM
Posted By MaiN on 10/24/2013 8:00 AM

Should the investor then be better off approaching HOA's Board of Directors first and convince them of the collaboration on the business opportunity OR should the investors approach the law firm that takes care of the lien??? Advices and/or thoughts on the pros and cons of each?


The HOA has no property interest in a home in arrears until it receives title as a result of foreclosure. Therefore, neither the HOA nor the law firm are in any position to bargain before that occurs. The investor may, however, extinguish the lien by paying it off in full.

I am not sure what you mean by "collaboration on the business opportunity," but associations are not usually in the business of wheeling and dealing in real estate. Given the usual lack of sophistication of HOA board members I would expect the HOA to come out on the short end of the stick were it to crawl into bed with real estate investors.

If an investor is looking for an opportunity he should approach the owners who are in arrears and make a deal with them. Whatever bargain the investor strikes with the homeowners, someone still owes the assessments and late fees. The board has no obligation to cut a deal with the investor and likely has no power to do so. In fact, the board would be wise to discourage investors from buying in their association as investors bring in renters.


Well said.

My reaction is no way an association should be playing real estate investor. As a member it is my money they are playing with thus they will be held to a very tight standard.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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IF an investor buys a distressed property that contains an HOA lien, then the investor should satisfy the debt causing the lien as a cost of acquiring the property. I was thinking of a foreclosure, but the foreclosure act would eliminate the HOA lien in many many cases.

I think most boards would waive late fees to collect the core debt owed. HOAs should not waive delinquent HOA dues because and investor bought a property with a clouded title.

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