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ChelleF (Florida)
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We had to remove a beautiful palm tree on our property that was causing sewage backup in our home. The tree was planted on top of the septic tank, therefore we paid $1,000.00 to have it removed and for a plumber to fix the issue.

Our HOA sent a letter requesting we re plant an 8 ft palm with 8 ft of where the other one was planted. We requested a hearing in April of 2013 and requested for a response within 30 days and we are just now hearing from the ARC committee in the month of October 2013 to get this issue resolved.

Do we as home owners have to be accountable now to the HOA even when they failed to give a written or oral response within 30 days?

I feel that the HOA should have to pay for the costs which we incurred. We are the second owners of that home.

We have lived there over 2 years and we have one of the nicest lawns in our neighborhood. None of this makes sense.

Please advise...
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
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I feel that the HOA should have to pay for the costs which we incurred.


Why do you feel the HOA should pay? Isn't it your septic, your plumbing, your problem?

That said.... after hearing the issue, I'm sure the HOA will not force you to replant the palm tree over the septic, because it cannot be done. They may however require you to plant one somewhere else on your property.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By SteveM9 on 10/23/2013 11:34 AM
I feel that the HOA should have to pay for the costs which we incurred.


Why do you feel the HOA should pay? Isn't it your septic, your plumbing, your problem?

That said.... after hearing the issue, I'm sure the HOA will not force you to replant the palm tree over the septic, because it cannot be done. They may however require you to plant one somewhere else on your property.

I agree.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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Do your governing documents state anything regarding ARC control over landscaping?
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
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Posted By ChelleF on 10/23/2013 10:47 AM
We had to remove a beautiful palm tree on our property that was causing sewage backup in our home. The tree was planted on top of the septic tank, therefore we paid $1,000.00 to have it removed and for a plumber to fix the issue.

Our HOA sent a letter requesting we re plant an 8 ft palm with 8 ft of where the other one was planted. We requested a hearing in April of 2013 and requested for a response within 30 days and we are just now hearing from the ARC committee in the month of October 2013 to get this issue resolved.

Do we as home owners have to be accountable now to the HOA even when they failed to give a written or oral response within 30 days?

I feel that the HOA should have to pay for the costs which we incurred. We are the second owners of that home.

We have lived there over 2 years and we have one of the nicest lawns in our neighborhood. None of this makes sense.

Please advise...

It sounds like you had an ARC fall apart, they are now regrouping, and playing catch up OR you have some very SLOW people on your ARC. You need to review your declarations as to what your ARC's responsibility is to you, the homeowner. In my Association, our declarations state that if the ARC does not approve an application within XX number of days, the owner is to consider the application denied. But if the Association chooses to enforce anything at this point (like landscaping restrictions), they still may be within their right to do so based on the time frame.

The HOA is not going to be liable for your plumbing expenses or tree replacement. You own the property, not the HOA.

You also need to consider a few things- what is your county ordinance for tree removal? In my county, we can remove trees with a permit BUT we must replace the tree. It is part of the county's conservation effort. That is not to say our county would force us to plant a tree in an area that had already proved problematic. I think if you keep your approach calm and reasonable, explain the chain on events that necessitated the palm tree removal, explain that another tree on or around the septic tank is not going to work, then they will probably just say ok. IF the HOA demands you replant the palm and they know of the issues, then in that case the HOA could be held liable for any further damage.
SusanM22 (Florida)
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Posted By KevinK7 on 10/23/2013 4:19 PM
Do your governing documents state anything regarding ARC control over landscaping?

In addition to your HOA CC&Rs, Florida HOAs are governed by FS 720. FS 720.3035 says in part:

"Neither the association nor any architectural, construction improvement, or other such similar committee of the association shall enforce any policy or restriction that is inconsistent with the rights and privileges of a parcel owner set forth in the declaration of covenants or other published guidelines and standards authorized by the declaration of covenants, whether uniformly applied or not. Neither the association nor any architectural, construction improvement, or other such similar committee of the association may rely upon a policy or restriction that is inconsistent with the declaration of covenants or other published guidelines and standards authorized by the declaration of covenants, whether uniformly applied or not, in defense of any action taken in the name of or on behalf of the association against a parcel owner."

Most FL HOA CC&Rs state that if an ARC app is not addressed by the board or the ARC committee within 30 days and homeowner properly notified, the app is deemed "approved" but NOT denied. In this case you must review your CC&Rs and any additional ARC duly approved guidelines to see if there is conflict between what your HOA is now alleging or demanding and the specific language in your CC&Rs.

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