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BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
I am the President of a 50 unit HOA that was elected in February and we became self managed in March. We are going to be ratifying many Rules & Regulations in the next few months but the ones I am primarily concerned about right now deal with covenant violations. I have read FS 720 and come to somewhat different conclusions than what has been posted by other members of this forum from Florida.

The Florida Statute in question (FS 720.305.2) says:
“If the governing documents so provide, an association may suspend, for a reasonable period of time, the rights of a member or a member's tenants, guests, or invitees, or both, to use common areas and facilities and may levy reasonable fines, not to exceed $100 per violation, against any member or any tenant, guest, or invitee. A fine may be levied on the basis of each day of a continuing violation, with a single notice and opportunity for hearing, except that no such fine shall exceed $1,000 in the aggregate unless otherwise provided in the governing documents. A fine shall not become a lien against a parcel. In any action to recover a fine, the prevailing party is entitled to collect its reasonable attorney's fees and costs from the nonprevailing party as determined by the court.
(a) A fine or suspension may not be imposed without notice of at least 14 days to the person sought to be fined or suspended and an opportunity for a hearing before a committee of at least three members appointed by the board who are not officers, directors, or employees of the association, or the spouse, parent, child, brother, or sister of an officer, director, or employee. If the committee, by majority vote, does not approve a proposed fine or suspension, it may not be imposed.
(b) The requirements of this subsection do not apply to the imposition of suspensions or fines upon any member because of the failure of the member to pay assessments or other charges when due if such action is authorized by the governing documents.
(c) Suspension of common-area-use rights shall not impair the right of an owner or tenant of a parcel to have vehicular and pedestrian ingress to and egress from the parcel, including, but not limited to, the right to park.”

Our Covenants and By-Laws say that we can hand out by day fines and so the limit is $1,000 total. Why do I see that people suggesting $100 a day when it clearly says $100 per incident is the maximum unless it is a by day charge? If you are saying $100 a day for a by-day fine, then what is the incentive after 10 days? We are planning on it being $10 a day * the number of the offense or something like that. Does anyone have thoughts as to the amount?

I know that they have to have an appeal before a group of at least three homeowners who are not on the board or related to the board and I know we have to give 14 days, but it is still unclear to me.
o It says “an opportunity” does that mean that when you send out the violation notice you say that they have 14 days to submit in writing a request for an appeal? Seems that is an offer rather than the mandatory setting of a Hearing at a place and time, especially since you might need to involve homeowners who are not prone to volunteering (only 50 houses remember).

o It says a 14 day notice before the fine, so do you give a deadline in the violation notice and say that after it the fine of $xxx per day will begin to accumulate?

o How does the 14 day notice apply to repeat offenses? Is it 14 days each time, if so then certain offenses would appear non-enforceable?
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Brad:

I don't live in Florida so I cannot speak to particular law there...

Regarding fines: some HOA's set up a fine schedule that's uniform (for instance, any violation is $15 per day) while others set up different fines for different types of violations. My association (I'm compliance coordinator) has different fines; in fact, there is one category where we have a sliding scale of fines up to $3000 (the most we've done on that was a $1000 so far).

Think about it this way: if it's $10 per day, then you basically give people up to 3+ months to hit the maximum. $15 would make it 2+ months. $20 would make it 7 weeks, $25 would make it 40 days...how long do you want residents to drag things out on violations?

Regarding the "Opportunity for a hearing," it's just that: an opportunity. They may or may not take advantage of it.

You may want to talk to your association's attorney as part of the process of drafting your enforcement resolution; you may be able to get copies of other communities' resolutions to look at and reflect upon as you draft yours. Be sure to run it by the attorney before passing it (and a good idea is to run it out to the members for feedback to the board as well before passage) and then send everybody a copy once it's passed.

I work for a master-planned community of eventually 1900+ housing units, so our resolution has different issues that yours would have (plus we're in Oregon) but if you want to take a look, here's the web address:
http://www.fhhoa.com/web/files/governingdocs/PolicyResolution3.pdf

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Our Covenants and By-Laws say that we can hand out by day fines and so the limit is $1,000 total. Why do I see that people suggesting $100 a day when it clearly says $100 per incident is the maximum unless it is a by day charge?
A. Each HOA can determine if it is per day, per week. or whatever.

If you are saying $100 a day for a by-day fine, then what is the incentive after 10 days?
A. Move towards correction by the HOA.

We are planning on it being $10 a day * the number of the offense or something like that. Does anyone have thoughts as to the amount?
A. I think $10/day is more reasonable than $100/day, but that is up to the HOA and could be variable based on the violation.

It says “an opportunity” does that mean that when you send out the violation notice you say that they have 14 days to submit in writing a request for an appeal?
A. No, it means a Hearing can not be scheduled in less than 14 days.

It says a 14 day notice before the fine, so do you give a deadline in the violation notice and say that after it the fine of $xxx per day will begin to accumulate?
A. Yes, unless at the Hearing no violation is established.

How does the 14 day notice apply to repeat offenses?
I don't any other provisions for a repeat offense so I would presume so.

Is it 14 days each time, if so then certain offenses would appear non-enforceable?
A. I disagree, all violations can be enforced. But each violation would need to be corrected, by the Board when necessary, before the violation is repeated.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Correction.
It says “an opportunity” does that mean that when you send out the violation notice you say that they have 14 days to submit in writing a request for an appeal?
A. No, it means if the violation is not corrected within 14 days they can be fined bt only after providing them the right of a Hearing. I believe the violation notice can require the violator to ask for a Hearing promptly if they wish to contest the violation.

BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
When I say certain things are not enforceable, what do you do if someone parks a motor home out front of their house for a week? They get the notice but know they will be long gone before the deadline has expired.

What about parking at the street each night? We have only one entrance into the subdivision and people at the front insist on parking on the street and leaving their driveway empty. The covenants say park in the garage or driveway first and only then in the street in such a manner as to not block traffic. It still happens and since they move the vehicle each day they go to work it would reset the 14 days, would it not?

What about mowing the lawn and letting it get very high? I would think that it would have to go at least a week beyond it should before it is even noted and then an additional two weeks before we can do anything.

See the pattern here? If we have to give 14 days for each item, each time then it makes many things effectively un-enforceable.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
> Q. If you are saying $100 a day for a by-day fine, then what is the incentive after 10 days?
> A. Move towards correction by the HOA.

How does that encourage anything if at 10 days they have hit thier cap? What else are you going to do to them? The most we can do is either fudge the dues payments assuming they don't specify it is explicitly for dues and we apply to fines first or we include the amount on the ESTOPEL letter and hope they don't contest.

Because we want it to continue to be painful and we want there to be an incentive to fix it. For us it isn't meant as a source of income (if fact, I had it removed from the budget) it is meant to adjust behaviours.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BradD2 on 03/28/2007 1:14 PM
> Q. If you are saying $100 a day for a by-day fine, then what is the incentive after 10 days?
> A. Move towards correction by the HOA.

How does that encourage anything if at 10 days they have hit thier cap? What else are you going to do to them? The most we can do is either fudge the dues payments assuming they don't specify it is explicitly for dues and we apply to fines first or we include the amount on the ESTOPEL letter and hope they don't contest.

Because we want it to continue to be painful and we want there to be an incentive to fix it. For us it isn't meant as a source of income (if fact, I had it removed from the budget) it is meant to adjust behaviours.

The next step I recommend in Colorado, after assessed fines fail to achieve correction, would be to get a court order, enter the property with a contractor and police, have the contractor make the necessary repairs to come into compliance, and assess all costs to the owner's property.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Our attorney suggested that we never enter an Owner's property because that would make us liable if something happened. If something was damaged the association could be held partly liable. If the worker or Owner were hurt the association could be held partly liable. Have you ever had an issue with it?
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
One more question Roger. How do you get a court order without involving attorneys?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Brad, you must use an attorney to obtain a court order. I just stated the technique to use in Colorado - we have never had to go that far to get compliance.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
The problem for us is that we have people who over the last few years decided the rules don't apply to them. There are about 10 houses out of the 50 that need to have their lawns seriously fixed, about half the houses have something else that needs some attention (like cleaning their driveway or roof) and 4 houses behind in their dues (although one is in foreclosure). It doesn't matter who sends them a letter, they just ignore it.

That is the reason I am asking about people who have experience in Florida. I can quote a particular Florida statute and we can discuss it but if you haven't dealt with the laws in Florida you are probably stepping on other statutes.

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