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TammyI (California)
Posts: 68
Posted:
We are a PUD. We recently got out from under a terrible MC and issued all owners a copy of the CC&Rs, Bylaws and rules. We now wish we were still in blissful ignorance. While dealing with all the other issues we have from this MC, A member of our HOA brought this insurance issue to our attention. Who's insurance pays if a fire starts in a common area or termites infect a unit with the units having common walls? Our CC&Rs read thus:

ARTICLE V
INSURANCE
(a) The owner of each lot shall carry fire, public liability and property damage insurance as he may deem necessary or desirable, or as may be required by his individual lender.
(b) Adequate fire insurance and adequate public liability and property damage insurance for all commonly owned areas shall be obtained by the Board of Governors as promptly as possible following their election, and shall be maintained in force at all times at the expense of the owners as a whole, the premiums thereon to be paid out of the maintenance funds. Each owner shall be named insured in such insurance policy, and the amounts of such coverage shall be as may be established and determined from time to time by the Board of Governors to be adequate. Nothing herein contained shall preclude any individual owner from carrying such public liability and/or property damage insurance as he may deem desirable to cover his individual liability for damage to person or property occurring on said premises, whether within his lot or elsewhere. The Board of Governors may also purchase and maintain, at the expense of the owners, workmen’s compensation, casualty and extended coverage, vandalism and such other insurance coverage as it may deem necessary or desirable for the protection of the owners.

ARTICLE VI
DESTRUCTION OF IMPROVEMENTS
...
(c) Neither the destruction of any owner’s unit or garage or carport, nor his failure to rebuild, shall relieve him of his duty to pay assessments for maintenance charges as provided in Article IV hereof, but, any owner who has totally or partially destroyed improvements upon his lot shall receive the insurance proceeds pursuant to Article V of this Declaration.
The old MC reportedly told some of the owners all they needed for insurance was a HO-6, meaning inside coverage only - not fire. The problem is the last 11 years the policy was the same and only covered liability - we had to double it this year as we were under-insured on that and add another policy per California also. We have already doubled the water assessment and increased the dues 20% this month which is why we wish we were still in blissful ignorance, OR given correct records when we bought this unit last year.

Question is do we add this policy to the dues if the owners will vote it in, which they probably will not, (it has to be a vote per CC&Rs)or
Can we notify all owners they have to carry a specific amount of fire and liability insurance on their own and change the CC&Rs, or
are we reading this the wrong way.
Anyone been through this before?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Tammy,

I'm under the impression that you are a town home development with common walls. That you are in an homeowners association (HOA) and not a condominium association (COA). If this impression is correct, I am in a similar association.

Our CC&Rs specify that shared walls are a shared expense between the lots involved. I've attached a word document with the specific language in our CC&Rs regarding common walls. There is likely some sort of guidance of party walls contained in your governing documents. If not, I would suggest that you amend the documents to include some.

If a fire breaks out in a common area and damages units (or for that matter any other type of claim), the normal procedure would be for the owner to file a claim with their insurance company and the Board file a claim with their insurance company. Each insurance company will typically take care of their client and then talk to each other to about who should pay.

My Association carries Multi-peril insurance (our Liability policy), Crime Insurance (our fidelity bond for Directors/employees) and D&O Insurance (Directors and Officers). These policies are paid for from the annual assessments. If the Association had a club house, etc. we would carry additional insurance. The minimum amount of coverage for some of these policies are specified in VA statutes. CA may have similar minimums, so you should check your applicable statutes.

Each owner carries their own homeowners insurance policy. The Association policies do not cover any part of an individual lot.

As for termites, each owner treats their own lots. If the Association is taking care of the exterior of the property, then they may want to consider increasing assessments and include exterior termite treatment.

If I am under the wrong impression and you are in a condominium complex, I will defer to those who are in condominiums.

Hope this helps,

Tim
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TammyI (California)
Posts: 68
Posted:
Thanks Tim,

We are still trying to collect info. Some of the owners only carry COA insurance. I was under the impression we insured our own property. I know we pay for the painting on the out side walls and roof.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Tammy,

You didn't tell me if my expectation was correct.

Are you in a condominium development or a homeowners development (town homes could be in either one).

A PUD stand for a planned unit development. It doesn't specify what type of development.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
Tammy,

You wrote “I know we pay for the painting on the out side walls and roof”. Who is the “we”? Are you saying that the Association pays for outside building maintenance?

How do your Documents describe the Common Areas or Common Elements, and how are the Units, Homes, or “what is owned” by the individual Owner described?

Under Insurance, in the Paragraph (b) that you posted, the word “shall” is used twice and it states “the premiums thereon to be paid out of the maintenance funds”.

Are you a member of the Board of Governors?

And for better understanding, since your Association has apparently gone from being “managed” to being “self managed”, approximately how many living Units or Homes in the Association?

And as Tim asked, what “type” of an Association?
TammyI (California)
Posts: 68
Posted:
Sorry traveling...

Our association was built as a motel/beach rentals in the 1950s. In 1964 the owners decided to parcel it out. This is cut from the CC&RS as was the the insurance paragraph.

(a) The project has been divided into seventeen (17) lots. There has been constructed on Lots 1 to 16, inclusive, eight (8) duplex buildings housing sixteen (16) individual dwelling units, four (4) garages, and twelve (12) carports. Said duplex buildings have been constructed so that the line of boundary between the two lots on which each building is constructed is the dividing line between the adjoining garages; or carports, as the case may be, which said garages or carports are located between the units which make up each respective duplex.
(b) Lot 17, or the common area, consists of the entire project, save and except Lots 1 to 16, inclusive.
(c) Each purchaser will be conveyed a fee simple interest in one or more of Lots 1 to 16, together with all of the portion of the building erected thereon and adjoining garage or carport, and an equal undivided fractional interest in Lot 17 for each of the said lots purchased.

I would say we are more town homes, but there is nothing stating it in any of our ruling documents. The individual owners pay for improvements to the inside and outside of their unit. The common area backyards have been fenced for the individual units.

The following is also in the CC&Rs. (cut and paste)

(b) The owners of units shall maintain the interior thereof, in-cluding the walls, roof, ceilings, floors and permanent fixtures and appur-tenances, in a clean, sanitary and attractive condition, reserving to each of such owners, however, complete discretion as to the choice of furniture, furnishings, and interior decorating.

And no I'm not on the board consider me secretary to the Chairman, my husband. I do all the research, record keeping and find answers for the board. I do not handle any money.

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