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ErikaB2 (Florida)
Posts: 36
Posted:
Hello all,

I have an accounting question.

Expenses are not all showing in the budget. The amounts in the budget come from the General Ledger. In the General Ledger, there are expenses that have credits/adjustments that the HOA has not received money for. This lowers the amount shown in the budget from what the actual amount is.

Are these credits/adjustments without receiving money to cover them normally added to the General Ledger? And what type of expenses are these normally done with?

Thanks for your help.

ErikaB2 (Florida)
Posts: 36
Posted:
What I meant by the "budget" is the income/expense balance sheet.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
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Posted By ErikaB2 on 10/16/2013 6:50 AM
Hello all,

I have an accounting question.

Expenses are not all showing in the budget. The amounts in the budget come from the General Ledger. In the General Ledger, there are expenses that have credits/adjustments that the HOA has not received money for. This lowers the amount shown in the budget from what the actual amount is.

Are these credits/adjustments without receiving money to cover them normally added to the General Ledger? And what type of expenses are these normally done with?

Thanks for your help.


Erika - I am not an accountant, but I am somewhat familiar with accounting terminology and processes. Your post is confusing to me due, I think, to the terminology you're using. In your two posts you've made reference to "general ledger", "budget", "income/expense" and "balance sheet". To clarify:

Journal - this records every movement of funds or transaction in the accounting system.

General Ledger - this is a listing of all of the accounts (or categories that account for funds), and for each entry in the journal, there are two entries in the ledger - one account is credited the amount, and another account is debited the amount. The accounts in the ledger fall into various categories such as income, expense, etc, etc.

Budget - is a prediction or allowance for how much funds will be posted against each of the accounts in the ledger for a given time period, usually a year.

Income/Expense - this is a report that covers a specific time period and shows the actual funds posted against those accounts in the ledger that are classified as income accounts and also those accounts that are classified as expense accounts. Not a tough concept here: money received - money spent = profit or loss over the time period.

Balance Sheet - this is a report as of a specific date that totals up the accounting systems assets, its liabilities and it equity. When correct, Assets = liabilities + equity.

Having said all of that, what is going on that you perceive is incorrect in your association from an accounting point of view?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Erika,

What method do you use for your accounting, Cash or Accrual?
ErikaB2 (Florida)
Posts: 36
Posted:
Hello,

I believe it is the Cash accrual.

The reports are the General Ledger and the Income/Expense.

Thanks for the help.
AllisonD (Florida)
Posts: 449
Posted:
I think your answer to TimB4's question will likely be the accrual method, since this is what most HOA's use. I work for government and I actually use both, but my cash flow budget is there just to see if I take enough money in each month to pay my monthly expenses as they are paid (although my budget money is preloaded into purchase orders which I spend down). I use the cash flow budget to monitor my departments health month to month. Using the accrual method, you will see multiple entries in this manner: Your quarterly dues will be listed in their entirety at the start of each quarter (at the time they are due and owing), but in another part of your monthly reports you may see the actual dues amounts that were collected. Expenses are entered in the same manner, listed as when they are incurred but in another spot you may see the actual payments in the ledger. Because management companies use canned programs to handle finances, the report you see may be multiple various reports that are all printed out at once and they do not all follow the same logic. This is a very simplistic answer but maybe it will help you understand.
AllisonD (Florida)
Posts: 449
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Erika also I forgot to mention that the budget is an estimate of what the association expects it income and expenses to be for the following fiscal year. Some budgets include great detail, others not so much. The budget will not contain actual income and expenses since its really just the estimate of finances for the board to work within. Hopefully its a really good estimate and there is plenty of money on hand to pay bills.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By AllisonD on 10/16/2013 4:14 PM
I think your answer to TimB4's question will likely be the accrual method, since this is what most HOA's use. I work for government and I actually use both, but my cash flow budget is there just to see if I take enough money in each month to pay my monthly expenses as they are paid (although my budget money is preloaded into purchase orders which I spend down). I use the cash flow budget to monitor my departments health month to month. Using the accrual method, you will see multiple entries in this manner: Your quarterly dues will be listed in their entirety at the start of each quarter (at the time they are due and owing), but in another part of your monthly reports you may see the actual dues amounts that were collected. Expenses are entered in the same manner, listed as when they are incurred but in another spot you may see the actual payments in the ledger. Because management companies use canned programs to handle finances, the report you see may be multiple various reports that are all printed out at once and they do not all follow the same logic. This is a very simplistic answer but maybe it will help you understand.

Glad businesses have bean counters so others can get out and make it happen so there are beans to count........LOL

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By ErikaB2 on 10/16/2013 3:58 PM
Hello,

I believe it is the Cash accrual.

Erika, it is typically one or the other.

Basically, in a cash basis method, income is accounted for when you receive an assessment payment and expenses occur when a check is written to pay them. Reports based on this system are typically easy to understand because it is similar to the family checkbook.

Basically, in an accrual method, income is accounted for (considered available for use) when the annual assessment is due (vs. when it is actually paid). Expenses occur when the expense is due (vs. when it is actually paid). Reports based on this system can be difficult to understand for those that are not used to this method.

My suggestion is to ask for some time to sit down with the treasurer or management company and have them answer your questions and explain the report.

Hope this helps,

Tim

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Tim did a good job of explaining it.

I was once on a BOD of a Fraternal Organization and the question arose about Cash or Accrual. I understood the following:

Accrual. The money comes in say once a year as in dues due once a year. Thus one starts of the year with a great surplus. As the year goes on and bills are paid, the surplus drops. Some get confused about as they see the surplus going down and get concerned.

Cash. The money comes in over the course of the year as in monthly dues. More like a job where one gets paid.

I just could never get my arms around which was the best method and for what reasons.

I always felt a Cash basis was more understandable for the average person as that is how their personal finances worked.

One can change from one method to the other, but I was told the IRS frowned on changing the method more then once. Again, I never understood why they would frown on it.

It was always confusing to me....LOL

ErikaB2 (Florida)
Posts: 36
Posted:
Yes, it is cash.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Erika,

Your book keeper will track the expenses owed to the HOA under Accounts Receivable. These accounts are people that haven't paid you but are expected to pay the HOA organization. Yep. It's common.

HOA dues will often not be collected on time from many families but you know these families will pay you. Accounts receivable will make the notation. When the family pays, the accountant collects and deducts the amount from "accounts receivable" (as you have "received" payment). Your budget sheet doesn't reach this level of detail, so you consult a couple of different reports for the day-accurate financial picture, which is often overkill for an HOA director and businesses.

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