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KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Curious about some opinions some may have regarding my neighborhood.

As I have posted in the past, the covenants have expired but the HOA continues to enforce the old deed restrictions. Over the past couple months they started marking the street (public roads) of non-members with yellow spray paint and putting flags around the perimeter of those homes. A big reason for this is to alert their employees and contractors which properties require service. I personally have an issue with this for several reasons - the flags have gotten caught in my yard equipment and in one instance the flag fell off and I stepped on the metal stake, and association employees use my property as a shortcut and I do not want the risk of these people on my property. There is also the principle that they should not be placing anything on my property or marking the streets (which is also illegal).

I have talked to some of my neighbors and have received a mix of opinions, ranging from big deal to the yellow markings is akin to the yellow stars of the holocaust. Personally I find the flags and paint unattractive and a nuisance.

What are your thoughts regarding this situation. I was planning on contacting the association but I wanted to offer some alternatives.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Contractors should be able to work off of a map.

That said, if the flags are on your property, you have a right to remove them.
If the flags are not on the common area, all you can do is bring the issue to the Board.

I would address your concerns in writing so there is a record of the issues.

As for the yellow paint, curb paint have specific meanings for drivers. Check your local traffic laws for the specific meaning in your area.

Tim
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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Perhaps I'm not thinking thoroughly on this, but at first glance: why can't the vendors have a list of the addresses that do not get their services?

What you describe, even if small pennants and thin yellow tape/paint, sounds very ugly. I also dislike the star or scarlet letter spot. In addition, it won't help your home values at all.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Sorry, "spot" should read "aspect."
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Perhaps I'm not thinking thoroughly on this, but at first glance: why can't the vendors have a list of the addresses that do not get their services?

What you describe, even if small pennants and thin yellow tape/paint, sounds very ugly. I also dislike the star or scarlet letter aspect. In addition, it won't help your home values at all.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
They paint a yellow line in the street roughly 3 feet in length from the mailbox. According to state law no sign or markings resembling traffic signs are permitted. Not sure about local laws. When a homeowner joins the HOA sprays black over the stripe.

As for the flags those are placed on the property - not a common area. Those are placed by the lawn maintenance crew. They are given a list and place them on the corners of the lot. Depending on the shape of the lot sometimes the place more. They use random colors (blue, red, green, and yellow).

Another reason that has me concerned was that there are other markings in the neighborhood made by utility companies and the county in the same color and using similar flags. The HOA's flags and paint may cause some confusion.

For instance, the county was spraying orange dots on areas of the sidewalk that need replacement. Before the yellow stripe they used the same orange color. The gas company has been making yellow markings for lines that need replacing.

I thought about suggesting they tell their staff and yard people who to avoid but it seems like that is too difficult for them to follow. I guess if I press hard enough they'll have to deal with it.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Why not just call the city and complain? Or get a can of black and paint it out yourself. As to the people using your yard as a shortcut, it's called trespass, call the police. Since you are not a member, the HOA has zero obligation to listen to what you want.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
KevinK7 (Florida)
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Posted By GlenL on 10/04/2013 3:11 PM
Why not just call the city and complain? Or get a can of black and paint it out yourself. As to the people using your yard as a shortcut, it's called trespass, call the police. Since you are not a member, the HOA has zero obligation to listen to what you want.

Good point. I was trying to go the neighborly route first. I was actually trying to find the contact information for their landscapers but they don't have an online presence and I haven't seen any identifying markers on their vehicles. As for the flags and paint I removed them off my property and removed the paint in front of my house.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Kevin,

If the flags are on your property, remove them. If it was me, I would remove the flags even if they were not on my property. If they are too stupid to know which properties they maintain without using flags and paint, let them provide some free maintenance until they wise up. Ditto with the street markings; paint over it and let them provide you with free service. Serves them right for being that stupid.

If the HOA vendors are trespassing through your yard, get some of that really ugly red/orange plastic construction barricade type of fence and string it up where they are coming through.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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This is a shaming technique being used by the HOA to "out" non-HOA members. It's disgusting and low class. Period. There's no need to debate whether flags and paint are needed. They are not.
KevinK7 (Florida)
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Posted By KellyM3 on 10/04/2013 7:33 PM
This is a shaming technique being used by the HOA to "out" non-HOA members. It's disgusting and low class. Period. There's no need to debate whether flags and paint are needed. They are not.

I have noticed that some homeowners, including me, have painted over the lines but nobody else removed the flags. I assume because they think the flags are from utilities like I had previously thought. I was just in communication with a board member who had recently stepped down. They were mentioning all sorts of dysfunction in the HOA, from an overbearing office manager who appeared to be assigning jobs to the directors, to a member who appears to not technically be on the board yet somehow wields a lot of influence. Makes me glad that I am out but I fear that this dysfunction can spill out into the neighborhood, as is evident in their flag and paint campaign.
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
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As far as the road paint, are your roads private or gated or are they county roads? If they are county roads, does the county know that your HOA is painting all over them? The entire thing sounds immature and absurd.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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They are county roads. I think a cause for the paint was that an increased amount of residents got out of the association making lawn maintenance more difficult because the lawn guys had to learn which properties not to mow. I am guessing they figured this was the easiest method on their behalf. The flags came with their new lawn company.

What annoys me is that when I was a member and had potted plants lining my driveway they cited me for "rubish" but they see no problem with colorful John Deer flags peppering the yards.
GwenG (Florida)
Posts: 669
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Would the member-owners be amenable to "positive" flags lining their lawns to alert mowers to mow? (Probably not.) At the very least, member-owners would insist the flags be removed when mowing is completed.

The border of your property is not the HOA's to trespass on and litter with lawn flags. I would photograph the area, remove the material, and make written complaints to both the HOA and lawn contractor.

HOA contractors are trespassers if they are entering your property and should be dealt with as lawbreakers. This is much more serious than flags. Perhaps you need some "No Trespassing" signs before you can make a complaint to sheriff?

Agree with other comments on roads ie Call the County regarding defacing county roadways with paint; it is a safety and environmental concern, in addition to cosmetic.

I am surprised the member-owners are not objecting to the HOA's cosmetic alterations in their neighborhood; isn't this what HOA's are supposed to protect property owners from?
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
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Posted By KellyM3 on 10/04/2013 7:33 PM
This is a shaming technique being used by the HOA to "out" non-HOA members. It's disgusting and low class. Period. There's no need to debate whether flags and paint are needed. They are not.

I agree with Kelly. This is nothing more than an attempt to "shame" owners who don't belong to the HOA
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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Posted By FredB4 on 10/08/2013 6:01 AM
Posted By KellyM3 on 10/04/2013 7:33 PM
This is a shaming technique being used by the HOA to "out" non-HOA members. It's disgusting and low class. Period. There's no need to debate whether flags and paint are needed. They are not.


I agree with Kelly. This is nothing more than an attempt to "shame" owners who don't belong to the HOA

I never considered this to be shaming. I figured it stemmed from laziness and ignorance. I wouldn't put it past this board to shame non-members. They used to send colorful postcards announcing your delinquency, they distributed photographs of "ugly" houses asking homeowners if they wanted these ugly homes (many cases the ugliness was highly subjective), they would attack their critics in the newsletter and claim the victim, and they called county code enforcement regularly on homes for the littlest thing - I got called on because my grass was a little high when I was in the hospital for the birth of my son. And then again a couple weeks later. Both times the code enforcer told me I was in no violation and that I "made an enemy."

Despite all this I try to be neighborly. I tried talking to the president once as she drove passed me in her golf cart. She just scowled at me and kept moving on. Not once did someone attempt to communicate with me. Especially when they sent me an enforcement letter, I corrected what they perceived to be an issue within the allotted time they requested, and then the next day they sent me a letter that they were sending me to their attorney. That is when my attorney got involved and discovered the covenants expired due to MRTA. Ever since then the letters from the HOA stopped but they still call code and these flags and paint are the latest.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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Quote:
Posted By FredB4 on 10/08/2013 6:01 AM
Posted By KellyM3 on 10/04/2013 7:33 PM
This is a shaming technique being used by the HOA to "out" non-HOA members. It's disgusting and low class. Period. There's no need to debate whether flags and paint are needed. They are not.


I agree with Kelly. This is nothing more than an attempt to "shame" owners who don't belong to the HOA

I never considered this to be shaming. I figured it stemmed from laziness and ignorance. I wouldn't put it past this board to shame non-members. They used to send colorful postcards announcing your delinquency, they distributed photographs of "ugly" houses asking homeowners if they wanted these ugly homes (many cases the ugliness was highly subjective), they would attack their critics in the newsletter and claim the victim, and they called county code enforcement regularly on homes for the littlest thing - I got called on because my grass was a little high when I was in the hospital for the birth of my son. And then again a couple weeks later. Both times the code enforcer told me I was in no violation and that I "made an enemy."

Despite all this I try to be neighborly. I tried talking to the president once as she drove passed me in her golf cart. She just scowled at me and kept moving on. Not once did someone attempt to communicate with me. Especially when they sent me an enforcement letter, I corrected what they perceived to be an issue within the allotted time they requested, and then the next day they sent me a letter that they were sending me to their attorney. That is when my attorney got involved and discovered the covenants expired due to MRTA. Ever since then the letters from the HOA stopped but they still call code and these flags and paint are the latest.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By FredB4 on 10/08/2013 6:01 AM
Posted By KellyM3 on 10/04/2013 7:33 PM
This is a shaming technique being used by the HOA to "out" non-HOA members. It's disgusting and low class. Period. There's no need to debate whether flags and paint are needed. They are not.


I agree with Kelly. This is nothing more than an attempt to "shame" owners who don't belong to the HOA

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