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DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
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Naturally, bylaws are subject to interpretation by the reader, and not everyone agrees on a given interpretation.
It's up to the BoD to determine the intent of any bylaws in question by making an official interpretation as needed. e.g. what constitutes "repair" or "maintenance" of a vehicle in a driveway.

How do those of you on boards approach this? Do you officially document an interpretation (i.e create a rule) for such bylaws and log it in the minutes? Granted, subsequent boards can interpret differently and change the rule.

I don't really see another alternative that keeps track of anything legitimately. The other option is to interpret on a case-by-case basis without logging the interpretation as a rule. e.g. "Bob wants to put the snow tires on his car in his driveway. Does anyone have an issue with that per the bylaws? No? ok, I'll tell Bob there's no problem" vs "The board has determined that installing snow tires in ones driveway is not a violation of Bylaw 3.2.1.1.5.3.2. Voted and approved on 02Oct2013, to be noted in the minutes of this meeting" One official, the other with no continuing record for the next board to review when Bob changes his tires 2 years from now.

Likewise with interpretations given by an attorney. Early in the days of our newly-established HOA, we sought periodic legal counsel for help in understanding some of our bylaws and what they legally meant we could or couldn't do. The board president sought counsel, took notes, and there was discussion at our board meeting. But no official record other than the chicken-scratch notes he took and handed out. Nothing in the minutes, nothing officially documented. As I see it, anything that was discussed at those meetings is moot, and the board may well interpret something differently today. If the former board members recall the prior interpretations, they may disagree with the current board's interpretation. But if nothing is officially logged, too bad.

So how do all of you approach that?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
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Dave,

I believe you may be referring to the CCRs, not the Bylaws.

As far as tracking "interpretation of the governing documents, I have everything tracked on a spreadsheet, sorted by either CCRs, Bylaws, Rules and election Rules and their specific numbered sections. It is keep on a secured website and passes from one Board to the next.

If we were creating a rule, that would have go the members for a comment period and possibly a secret ballot vote, depending on the document involved.

I look at a recent discussion about an OP making "emergency repairs" on their utility trailer and possibly being fined $50.00. People need to use common sense in their decision making and that would be, what was the rule there in the first place,to keep people from doing this on a daily basis. Similar situation with running a business out of my house, which I do. I have no cars coming in and out of the complex to visit me and don't have UPS or FedEx delivering packages all through the day.

If I see it all the time, I know we have a situation, if I see once in a "blue moon", well, there are other things in life more important to me. Otherwise, we have become little dictators in our own neighborhood. I like to be able to walk my dogs and have a nice conversion with my neighbors, thank you very much.

DaveD3 (Michigan)
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No, I'm referring to bylaws in my case. Call them "documents" as a generic if you wish.
Not every association requires a hearing period before the implementation of new rules, and regardless an official interpretation of the "documents" isn't necessarily a "rule" though it is rule-like in that it establishes for the board a point of official reference that can be drawn upon later in order to ensure consistency in enforcement.

and this has nothing to do with driveways. It's a general question that pertains to any or all sections of "HOA documents"
RichardP13 (California)
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Dave,

In that case, create a spreadsheet or database, log in the interpretation by Article or Section and pass from one Board to the next. They wouldn't be obligated to use it, it would be for reference only, as each may have their own interpretation, many on their own personal beliefs.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By RichardP13 on 10/02/2013 11:41 AM
Dave,

In that case, create a spreadsheet or database, log in the interpretation by Article or Section and pass from one Board to the next. They wouldn't be obligated to use it, it would be for reference only, as each may have their own interpretation, many on their own personal beliefs.


and based on their inability to comprehend as in do not know the differences between may and must or tricky things the difference between avoidance and evasion.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
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I guess depending on the state, if a Board can't make up their mind on may or shall, the homeowners are given the authority to act on enforcing the CCRs, through the provisions of the CCRs.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Dave,

Your topic is bylaws but the example you gave has nothing to do with bylaws.

Bylaws are binding only on the incorporated association. They are the rules for such things as who may serve on the board, terms of office, when elections are held, and so forth. Whether Bob may put snow tires on his car while parked in his driveway would not be a lawful issue for bylaws.

Perhaps you are referring to the CC&R's, where it would be appropriate to address the issue of working on a car in the driveway. The board can, at any time, decide that because installing snow tires is a matter of safety and the need to install the tires is not always foreseeable that the board will take no action against an owner who does so. Making a formal resolution would be preferrable to making no statement at all or deciding on a case-by-case basis. The danger of the latter is that Bob may change is tires while Charlie gets nailed with a fine for doing the same thing.

Unless your CC&R's mandate otherwise, your board may choose which battles it wishes to fight and has no obligation to fight any at all.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By DaveD3 on 10/02/2013 10:50 AM

It's up to the BoD to determine the intent of any bylaws in question by making an official interpretation as needed. e.g. what constitutes "repair" or "maintenance" of a vehicle in a driveway.

How do those of you on boards approach this?

The best way is for the Board to adopt a resolution.
A resolution is a formalized decision of the Board.
Resolutions should be put into a written document, signed by the board and published to the membership.

Common area rules and architectural guidelines are good examples of adopted resolutions.

Hope this helps,

Tim
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Posted By RichardP13 on 10/02/2013 11:10 AM
Dave,

I believe you may be referring to the CCRs, not the Bylaws.

As far as tracking "interpretation of the governing documents, I have everything tracked on a spreadsheet, sorted by either CCRs, Bylaws, Rules and election Rules and their specific numbered sections. It is keep on a secured website and passes from one Board to the next.

If we were creating a rule, that would have go the members for a comment period and possibly a secret ballot vote, depending on the document involved.

I look at a recent discussion about an OP making "emergency repairs" on their utility trailer and possibly being fined $50.00. People need to use common sense in their decision making and that would be, what was the rule there in the first place,to keep people from doing this on a daily basis. Similar situation with running a business out of my house, which I do. I have no cars coming in and out of the complex to visit me and don't have UPS or FedEx delivering packages all through the day.

If I see it all the time, I know we have a situation, if I see once in a "blue moon", well, there are other things in life more important to me. Otherwise, we have become little dictators in our own neighborhood. I like to be able to walk my dogs and have a nice conversion with my neighbors, thank you very much.


I am very much talking about Bylaws.
Our documents consist of:
1) Disclosure Statement: general description of the development, operation overview, brief summary of rights, etc...
2) Master Deed: Definitions, description of common elements, easements, etc...
3) Bylaws: Assessments, repair & reconstruction, RESTRICTIONS, voting, meetings, etc...
We have nothing called Covenants or Conditions, and the only heading for Restrictions is in the Bylaws.

The issue is not when "common sense" things come up, it's when interpretable things come up and when opinions differ. When even members of the board read the documents and have a differing opinion on what they mean and how to interpret them. Things that are best resolved by drawing upon the knowledge of a professional such as an attorney. But not when things necessitate informing the general membership. I'll refrain from any examples since people seem to simply auger-in on specifics and not see generalities.

Think of it as "we weren't clear what we could/should/can't do relative to this bylaw, so we asked the attorney when we had his ear on another topic". So an opinion exists, the board discussed, understands, and agrees, and wishes to document such so that future boards can save going to the attorney for the same thing.
Maybe it's a rule/regulation kind of thing, maybe it's an administrative/procedural kind of thing.

btw, our bylaws permit the BoD to create regulations (consistent with the docs of course) that become effective 30 days after notice is given to the membership. 50% owner vote required to overrule (or of course 50% of a subsequent BoD)
AnnH5 (Florida)
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Just my two cents as a homeowner (not on the Board), I think the safest thing a Board can do is to consult the association attorney if they need a clear idea of how to interpret their bylaws (or CCRs- whatever the issue may be). Once the attorney has offered a legal interpretation, that should be the standard forthgoing and duly noted in the records. Most Boards and HOAs get into trouble/lawsuits when they interpret their documents in a way that is not legal.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By AnnH5 on 10/03/2013 8:05 PM

I think the safest thing a Board can do is to consult the association attorney if they need a clear idea of how to interpret their bylaws (or CCRs- whatever the issue may be).

Although this may be the safest, it is expensive. We last asked our attorney for advice in 2011. We asked two questions. Cost $527.50

The questions were simple (at least to us) and we had done 90% of the research for them, but we wanted some clarification. As a Board member, I try to limit contacting an attorney as much as possible because of that cost. Otherwise, members could be paying higher assessments simply because a Board can't make a decision without running it by their attorney.

Oh the questions:

1) Asked if the Board could make labeling changes to the Articles of Incorporation (section numbers, etc.) without membership vote or if that would be considered an amendment.

2) Sought clarification on methods of charging fees on delinquent accounts (CC&Rs could be interpreted two different ways).

GlenL (Ohio)
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1) Disclosure Statement: general description of the development, operation overview, brief summary of rights, etc...
2) Master Deed: Definitions, description of common elements, easements, etc...
3) Bylaws: Assessments, repair & reconstruction, RESTRICTIONS, voting, meetings, etc...
We have nothing called Covenants or Conditions, and the only heading for Restrictions is in the Bylaws.

Dave you should also have AIC or Articles of Incorporation, the papers that form the corporation that is the HOA

From what you describe your Master Deed sounds like the Covenants or Deed Restrictions. The Covenants say what is required the By-Laws say how to accomplish it. For instance the Covenants require a Board of Directors, the By-Laws state how they are to be elected and what their duties are. You cannot write a By-Law or a rule that contradicts a Covenant so if the Covenants say no auto repair in the driveway, you can't write a By-law or interpret it to say that it is OK under the following circumstances.

The Board can choose not to enforce it but that opens them up to all kinds of criticism, either for selective enforcement or incompetence. If the Board wants to allow something that is forbidden in the Covenants instead of "officially interpreting" it they should work to amend or remove it.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Posted By AnnH5 on 10/03/2013 8:05 PM
Just my two cents as a homeowner (not on the Board), I think the safest thing a Board can do is to consult the association attorney if they need a clear idea of how to interpret their bylaws (or CCRs- whatever the issue may be). Once the attorney has offered a legal interpretation, that should be the standard forthgoing and duly noted in the records. Most Boards and HOAs get into trouble/lawsuits when they interpret their documents in a way that is not legal.

Exactly the question, Ann. I'm interested in how other HOAs "duly note" such things in their records so the same question isn't asked again by a subsequent board. From the responses, I gather that this is a novel idea.

It would also address how a new board would fix a situation and "duly note" a proper interpretation after succeeding a board that willfully used a creative interpretation based on their own personal bias. No doubt we see plenty of THAT in posts here.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Posted By GlenL on 10/03/2013 9:10 PM

From what you describe your Master Deed sounds like the Covenants or Deed Restrictions. The Covenants say what is required the By-Laws say how to accomplish it. For instance the Covenants require a Board of Directors, the By-Laws state how they are to be elected and what their duties are. You cannot write a By-Law or a rule that contradicts a Covenant so if the Covenants say no auto repair in the driveway, you can't write a By-law or interpret it to say that it is OK under the following circumstances.

The Board can choose not to enforce it but that opens them up to all kinds of criticism, either for selective enforcement or incompetence. If the Board wants to allow something that is forbidden in the Covenants instead of "officially interpreting" it they should work to amend or remove it.

Regardless of what they're named, they all comprise the governing documents for the association. Since ours are bound, let's just call it "the book".

I'm not asking about writing bylaws or rules. I'm concerned with establishing an agreed note of record for stuff in "the book" that can be twisted to suit an individual's or a board's bias. As I said before, it appears that this isn't commonly done.

In addition to stuff that can be twisted, let's throw decisions establishing a precedent into the mix. As much as I hate to use an example.... if the book says an outbuilding needs a minimum of 3 windows, does a window in a door count as a window? That may well matter to someone wanting a modestly sized shed with maximum wall space. If the board says yes, what about a window in a "garage door" of a larger shed? Could the book be made happy without putting any actual windows in a detached garage?

What if one board sees that "windows in a garage door" could be an issue, so they say that the intent was three real windows, but a window in a pedestrian door is also ok. Then a subsequent board says that several windows across the top of a garage door is ok. We then end up with a "not fair" post in this forum because one HOA allowed two different things. If the first board officially voted on and noted their interpretation, the second board wouldn't have an issue.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Dave,

As I posted earlier, the way to do what you are asking is for the Board to adopt a resolution and then publish that resolution to the membership.

DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Sorry Tim,
Too much else to respond to in the meantime
While I understand, it seems like a bit of overkill to publish every little thing that comes up. But it would be a good CYA and could help direct future boards.

But it seems like this isn't done in any sense on a regular basis for people in here.
JamesG (Connecticut)
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I have attached a file of a resolution that we passed several years ago. The intent was to reduce to laymen's terms the definition of unit boundaries. This "clarification" has made it easier to make Board decisions on common element maintenance. The resolution does note that the boundary language in the Declaration remains the legal definition if a conflict arises as a result of our decisions.

Jim
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TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By DaveD3 on 10/04/2013 6:30 AM

While I understand, it seems like a bit of overkill to publish every little thing that comes up. But it would be a good CYA and could help direct future boards.

The reason for publishing it is the following:

1) Resolutions become part of your governing documents and the membership should be given a copy of any new resolution so they are aware of their existence.

2) If everyone knows about the decision, it's easier to keep a future board on track.

3) Who actually goes through past minutes to see if a similar issue came up previously before making a decision? By publishing it to the membership it's likely a future Board would be aware of the decision.

Our Association currently has 14 resolutions and we are working on adopting another one.

As I posted earlier:

Resolutions are formal decisions and policies adopted by the Board.

The authority to make these decisions and/or polices are contained within the governing documents (CC&Rs, Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws) and/or State laws (HOA/COA and Corporate).

Resolutions are typically adopted to do one or more of the following:

a) Establish rules or regulations regarding the common area (example: pets must be on a leash)

b) Clarify Gray areas of the governing documents (example: how a passage will be interpreted if there are two or more ways to interpret it).

c) Establish procedures when the governing documents specify the Association will do a,b,c but is silent on how that is to be accomplished (example: enforcement policies, architectural guidelines).

NOTE: If a resolution is in conflict with the CC&Rs, Bylaws, Articles of Incorporation or Federal/State laws the resolution is unenforceable.

Attached is a list of policies every Association should have which has been posted on this forum in the past (I originally obtained the list from this forum).
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KevinK7 (Florida)
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I don't really see recording intentions as being of much use. Instead maybe draft clear specific rules that leave little to subjectivity.

For instance, one of my HOAs amended the C&Rs to state that the board could interpret the rulea as they saw fit from time to time with nothing more then board approval. It was my opinion they drafted this in an attempt to circumvent the C&Rs and this surely wouldn't have held up in court. I think making an official intentions document explaining the other governing documents may face a similar fate. Some may challenge it as being yet another subjective rule created by the whims of the board. I would say stick to clear objective rules and policies.
JeffT2 (Iowa)
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Posted By KevinK7 on 10/04/2013 11:51 AM
For instance, one of my HOAs amended the C&Rs to state that the board could interpret the rulea as they saw fit from time to time with nothing more then board approval. It was my opinion they drafted this in an attempt to circumvent the C&Rs and this surely wouldn't have held up in court.

The docs for my association have always had a provision for the board to interpret the docs. I googled the words and found many other associations in different states have the same provision, so it seems common. This provision was a key defense in a court case that made it to the Iowa supreme court. The court found that a phrase in the bylaws might be seen as ambiguous, and therefore the board was able to interpret. Like it or not, this is very powerful. A board should perhaps make an interpretation of the docs before major decisions, and record it in the minutes.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Thanks Jeff. So meeting minutes are one suggestion, and regulations given to the membership are another.
AnnH5 (Florida)
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/03/2013 8:21 PM
Posted By AnnH5 on 10/03/2013 8:05 PM

I think the safest thing a Board can do is to consult the association attorney if they need a clear idea of how to interpret their bylaws (or CCRs- whatever the issue may be).


Although this may be the safest, it is expensive. We last asked our attorney for advice in 2011. We asked two questions. Cost $527.50

The questions were simple (at least to us) and we had done 90% of the research for them, but we wanted some clarification. As a Board member, I try to limit contacting an attorney as much as possible because of that cost. Otherwise, members could be paying higher assessments simply because a Board can't make a decision without running it by their attorney.

Oh the questions:

1) Asked if the Board could make labeling changes to the Articles of Incorporation (section numbers, etc.) without membership vote or if that would be considered an amendment.

2) Sought clarification on methods of charging fees on delinquent accounts (CC&Rs could be interpreted two different ways).


I agree with you in that a Board should not send frivolous questions to the attorney. You are correct in that it is expensive. However, I see it as this- if the Board is truly not able to interpret their documents and they are wanting to do or change something that may have legal repercussions in the future, it is money well spent. As a homeowner, I would rather pay for the attorney's clarification as opposed to paying for an HOA's defense in a lawsuit and possibly a settlement out of my own pocket as a homeowner.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Dave

You just cannot call it the book. You have to know the differences and how each document can be modified.

The main document is Covenants (Deed Restrictions) which are typically recorded with the deed. Included in them will usually be the procedure to change them. Typically it will take 2/3rd of all owners agreeing to the change.

Bylaws basically say how things will be done like BOD Elections, voting, etc. They may or not be recorded with the deed. Typically it will require a majority of the owners agreeing to make any changes in them. Quite often less required to make Bylaw changes then the amount needed to make Covenant changes.

Rules & Regulations. Typically they can be made by the BOD alone. Many BOD's get in trouble by trying to alter/overturn Covenants and/or Bylaws with Rules & Regulations. R&R's cannot do this.

While not accusing you, I think you might be falling under the mistaken interpretation that we can change what we want with R&R's or "BOD Clarifications".

I hope I am wrong.

DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 10/05/2013 4:55 PM
Dave

You just cannot call it the book. You have to know the differences and how each document can be modified.

The main document is Covenants (Deed Restrictions) which are typically recorded with the deed. Included in them will usually be the procedure to change them. Typically it will take 2/3rd of all owners agreeing to the change.

Bylaws basically say how things will be done like BOD Elections, voting, etc. They may or not be recorded with the deed. Typically it will require a majority of the owners agreeing to make any changes in them. Quite often less required to make Bylaw changes then the amount needed to make Covenant changes.

Rules & Regulations. Typically they can be made by the BOD alone. Many BOD's get in trouble by trying to alter/overturn Covenants and/or Bylaws with Rules & Regulations. R&R's cannot do this.

While not accusing you, I think you might be falling under the mistaken interpretation that we can change what we want with R&R's or "BOD Clarifications".

I hope I am wrong.


John,
I have nothing called Covenants, or Conditions, or Restrictions, so using the phrase "CC&R" is technically limited to those people who actually have such documents. I don't have Covenants (or "Deed Restrictions"), I have a Master Deed and Bylaws (along with Articles of Incorporation, etc...)

Believe me, I'm quite familiar with all of them. Calling them "documents" or "the book" merely references the same thing: The totality of the Governing Documents of the Association.

As for the question at hand, I'm simply referring to those items within my Bylaws (the section of my documents that actually had restrictions on usage within each unit) that state what may & may not be done within each unit, and how those are interpreted. A simple example is a bylaw that references "front yard" or "side yard". When does a "front yard" become a "side yard" become a "back yard"? There is no legal definition to fall back on as far as I can tell. So is the "front yard" forward of the point of the house nearest the street, parallel to the (possibly curved) street? Is it a line parallel to the front of the house (which might have angles)? Where does a side yard begin? If we look at a lot as a tic-tac-toe board with the house in the middle, the absolute sides & front/back are easy to define, so what about the corners? No clear definition. So it's necessarily up to the board to make that determination if something is prohibited from a "front yard" or "side yard".

It would be prudent of a board, when presented with a situation that will set precedence, to establish a ruling that clarifies any vagueness in that regulation so future boards can follow suit.
RichardP13 (California)
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Dave

I went online and found three HOAs in Michigan and reviewed their "governing documents". All three had 1) Master Deed 2) Articles of Incorporation 3) Bylaws and 4) Rules and Regulations. With the except of the Master Deed, which in other parts of the country, would be called the CCRs, all the other documents are the same.

In the one examples you gave, I would put that into an architectural binder. It's possible that many of areas that need interpreting are of the ARC variety and it might make sense to have the ARC committee thoroughly review your documents and identify all the areas of the complex and the documents to make sure EVERYONE is on the same page.

While your Bylaws may be slightly different, the Bylaws outline how the association, as a corporation, governs itself, i.e. meetings, board and members, elections, contracts, power of the board. Biggest problem I have seen and others here have addressed that, is may and shall, should you or shouldn't you.

One of the most difficult areas in managing properties is interpreting documents and determining who is responsible for what. Another area is does that association have clear and understandable ARC guidelines that have been well thought out.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Posted By RichardP13 on 10/05/2013 9:42 PM
Dave

I went online and found three HOAs in Michigan and reviewed their "governing documents". All three had 1) Master Deed 2) Articles of Incorporation 3) Bylaws and 4) Rules and Regulations. With the except of the Master Deed, which in other parts of the country, would be called the CCRs, all the other documents are the same.

In the one examples you gave, I would put that into an architectural binder. It's possible that many of areas that need interpreting are of the ARC variety and it might make sense to have the ARC committee thoroughly review your documents and identify all the areas of the complex and the documents to make sure EVERYONE is on the same page.

While your Bylaws may be slightly different, the Bylaws outline how the association, as a corporation, governs itself, i.e. meetings, board and members, elections, contracts, power of the board. Biggest problem I have seen and others here have addressed that, is may and shall, should you or shouldn't you.

One of the most difficult areas in managing properties is interpreting documents and determining who is responsible for what. Another area is does that association have clear and understandable ARC guidelines that have been well thought out.

Richard,
My understanding of our documents, the Michigan Condominium Act, and the promulgated rules from the Act, is quite comprehensive, thanks, and I have no concerns regarding who does what. My sole concern here is merely the retention of knowledge from one board to the next, so as to maintain consistency and prevent future boards from re-asking questions about matters for which precedence has been established, especially in the case of paid legal advice.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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For completeness, I'll add that our "Restrictions" are merely an article of our Bylaws (therein containing over 40 sub-sections).

Thus, the entire package comprises, "the documents" or simply "the book" as the entirety of the governing documents that is necessary to understand how the association is to be managed.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
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Dave, is "the Book" recorded with your state? If so, what is that recorded document termed?
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Yes it is Carol. It's exactly as I said before. Master Deed, Bylaws, Articles of Incorporation

I'm not sure I understand the particular interest being shown in the titles of our documents though.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Dave

The interest being shown is advice can vary depending on the document. They are not all legally/properly, etc. handled the same just because they are "in the book".

CarolR11 (Colorado)
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My sentiments exactly, John46.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By CarolR11 on 10/07/2013 5:37 PM
My sentiments exactly, John46.

Thank you Carol.

Plus add funky CA Davis-Sterling stuff to the mix and it can be a real cluster whatever....LOL
RichardP13 (California)
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Dave

Different states call their real estate documents different names and escrow is handled differently in different states.

For instance, most states call their restrictive document the CCRs, while as I noticed Michigan calls them Master Deeds. Some states uses a Deed of Trust for security on the property, while others call it a Mortgage Deed or Security Deed. Some states use an attorney to close escrow, while others use a title company or escrow company. In Northern California, escrow is handled by a title company, while Southern California uses either a title company or escrow company. Some states only record the Articles of Incorporation and CCRs and some states may record everything. In Michigan, it appears all three are recorded.

But, in the examples you listed, my take away is that you are looking for interpretation for the Architectural improvements and that should be in its own book by itself. Every association has either many rules for the architectural committee to consider while others are pretty simple. My association, while pretty large, is very simple and very little rules.

Architectural Guidelines much like Rules and Regulations, need a good thought process in interpreting what the developer intended as to avoid confusion in the future.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Thanks for the clarification Richard.

That's why I dislike using specific examples. They're too often viewed narrowly, rather than examples of a wide-ranging consideration. It could be something clarified relative to elections, petitions, developer rights, or anything else that is covered within the documents. Every paragraph is subject to interpretation, no matter how plainly written it may be.

As an issue totally unrelated to anything architectural, consider scrivener errors in the documents. A references B, but when you turn to the stated location for B, it's actually C, having nothing to do with A or B. We actually have several of those throughout our documents. We caught a lot of them early on and after the owners received control from the developer, on our attorney's advice, we had the attorney that originally wrote the documents file corrections with the county. Did we catch them all? Doubtful. Is it necessary to fix every last typo of that sort that we find? Our attorney advised us no, it's not necessary because in most cases the error is an obvious typo. So we have precedence and the advice of an attorney living on as tribal knowledge at this point. I'm the only board member that was around back then to remember. So there's some value in retaining that knowledge formally for the board should the issue come up again, if only to save a future trip to the attorney because of a re-direct error.

Of course, I realize that having anything of the sort means there is an unrealistic expectation that someone on a future board would actually read it.

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