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VirginiaG (Georgia)
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We are a small community of 14 homes all recently constructed and purchased. The firs-time and obviously new Board needs to set annual dues. Is there a formula to help determine proper figure. What portion normally goes into a reserve fund?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Virginia,

The only way to determine the amount needed for reserves is through a Reserve Study. Reserve Studies can be professionally done or done yourself. To learn more about Reserve Studies and how to complete one yourself, see the following thread from this forum:

Subject: Reserve Studies/Funds 101

I've also came across a webinar (a seminar done over the internet) about reserve studies that someone posted on youtube. I haven't gone through it, but if you learn better via seminars, it may be helpful. Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXIfsDphDQ

As for determining the amount of the annual assessment, that is determined by your budget. Count your contribution to the Reserve fund as an expense item in the budget. Add up the expenses and divide by the number of lots. This will give you the annual assessment.

I've attached our Treasurer's budget proposal for next year. Perhaps this will help demonstrate what I'm saying.

Hope this helps,

Tim
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DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Tim's advice is spot on, and our budget is similarly structured (though a fraction of his).

Start with what you absolutely need to spend: electric bills, insurance, basic maintenance of common areas (mowing), etc... then what you should spend on other things; i.e. do you need to plan funds for the installation or replacement of trees or other landscaping, will you need to (or want to) add or maintain landscaping around a sign, or add lighting here or there, etc...

While you probably don't NEED a reserve study per any documents/regulations, you should absolutely do one. It's basically looking at your common area items that will need periodic repair or replacement (private drive, sign, clubhouse roof, painting of units if that's among your responsibilities, etc...) basically anything that's a significant cost that the HOA is required to maintain. Item by item, how long will the item last, how much will repair/replacement cost, and how much do you need to save every year in order to have that much $$ when the time comes.

A simple example is an entrance sign. Suppose it will last 20 years and will cost $2000 to replace. You would need to contribute $100 per year into the reserves for the sign. So then after 20 years, you have the $2000 and don't need to have any special assessments to replace the sign. Reserve studies should be updated periodically, too. At least every 5 years is a good rule, though many do them more often.

Good luck!

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DaveD3 on 09/29/2013 9:08 AM
While you probably don't NEED a reserve study per any documents/regulations, . . .

Not exactly true.

Although an association's documents may not require a reserve study, many mortgage lenders require that an association's reserves be adequately funded. Some recommend at least 10% of the annual budget, but most mortgage lenders prefer a reserve study be done (especially HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac backed mortgages). Otherwise, buyers of homes in a particular community may find it difficult to obtain mortgages. I believe some states also require a reserve study.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DaveD3 on 09/29/2013 9:08 AM
A simple example is an entrance sign. Suppose it will last 20 years and will cost $2000 to replace. You would need to contribute $100 per year into the reserves for the sign. So then after 20 years, you have the $2000 and don't need to have any special assessments to replace the sign.

Assuming that over the 20 years there is no inflation. If life could be that simple.

An adequate reserve plan takes into account both the results of anticipated inflation and the return on investment.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Posted By BruceF1 on 09/29/2013 12:33 PM
Posted By DaveD3 on 09/29/2013 9:08 AM
While you probably don't NEED a reserve study per any documents/regulations, . . .

Not exactly true.

Although an association's documents may not require a reserve study, many mortgage lenders require that an association's reserves be adequately funded. Some recommend at least 10% of the annual budget, but most mortgage lenders prefer a reserve study be done (especially HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac backed mortgages). Otherwise, buyers of homes in a particular community may find it difficult to obtain mortgages. I believe some states also require a reserve study.

And as I said.... they probably don't NEED a reserve study per any of their documents/regulations.

DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Posted By BruceF1 on 09/29/2013 12:36 PM
Posted By DaveD3 on 09/29/2013 9:08 AM
A simple example is an entrance sign. Suppose it will last 20 years and will cost $2000 to replace. You would need to contribute $100 per year into the reserves for the sign. So then after 20 years, you have the $2000 and don't need to have any special assessments to replace the sign.

Assuming that over the 20 years there is no inflation. If life could be that simple.

An adequate reserve plan takes into account both the results of anticipated inflation and the return on investment.

Frankly, taking inflation into account with a reserve study is rather nonsensical, especially with some of the things that are in a reserve study. The inflation rate is not constant, and the things that you need to replace are not tied to the inflation rate.

Take an asphalt road for example. Is there ANY relationship between the price of asphalt and the inflation rate over the past 20 years? Nope. Not a bit, other than both are higher than 20 years ago. Asphalt is more tied to the cost of petroleum than the inflation rate. Trying to do a reserve study to predict what asphalt prices are in 20 years is a ridiculous waste of time. How much is it RIGHT NOW? Budget for that. In 3-5 years ask again...how much is it RIGHT NOW. Change the reserve contribution to reflect that. By the time you get 20 years down the road, the periodic adjustments should have accounted for the inflation rate of that particular commodity.

If you want to do something you think is prudent, throw 5-10% on top of today's figures so you're aiming higher than today. It's just a downside buffer against future price increases, inflation or not.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By DaveD3 on 09/29/2013 2:03 PM

If you want to do something you think is prudent, throw 5-10% on top of today's figures so you're aiming higher than today. It's just a downside buffer against future price increases, inflation or not.

We have actually established a contingency line item in the Reserves. This allows us to make up underestimating cost or life expectancy.

I do understand Bruce's point. Figuring replacement in today's dollars is a good start. however, if you don't review the study and adjust as needed on a yearly basis, then when the time comes, the Board may still be facing the decision of a special assessment or deferring maintenance.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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Periodically reviewing and updating the study is the key.
Trying to balance inflation and return on investment is a bit of a silly game though. Say inflation is 2% and RoI is 3%. They offset to 1%. Your error in guessing the price of anything 10-20 years into the future is WAY more than that.

But estimating on the high side is a good thing to do. Get a handful of estimates in today's dollars for the replacement cost of something. Use the highest one and maybe pad that a little. Good to go. Come back in a few years and update the replacement cost, set a new heading for the ultimate fund size and annual contribution, set off on that course for a few more years.

In our own case, we have a short private road. We received quotes on a sectional repair, partial replacement, re-cap, and full replacement (who knows what the actual needs will be 15 years from now). We budgeted the reserve fund based on the full replacement. Hopefully we're pleasantly surprised in the end.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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Posted By VirginiaG on 09/28/2013 7:17 PM
We are a small community of 14 homes all recently constructed and purchased. The firs-time and obviously new Board needs to set annual dues. Is there a formula to help determine proper figure. What portion normally goes into a reserve fund?

If you do this correctly at the beginning of your organization, you'll be in GREAT shape down the rode!!!

1. Think of your operating budget and your Reserve funds (and its budget) as separate budgets. Just like you'll have a monthly utility bill expense in our operating budget, please create a "reserve fund deposit" expense and treat it like a monthly bill.

2. If you have more than about a half-dozen amenities that your HOA must eventually replace when they wear out, then hire that reserve study company and follow their advice on how much to deposit, annually, into your reserve fund

3. The operating budget is straight-forward in funding basic repairs and those monthly bills for utilities, service contracts, etc.

While our community is professionally managed, I've attached the basic operating budget that I use as my guideline throughout the year and gives our professionals the baselines from which to implement our HOA operations.

We recently added a "Bad Debt" expense as bank foreclosures wipe out the HOA's collections claims...which happens more than I (or anyone) likes. Our Reserve Fund deposit is our top-listed expense as it's our cushion against special assessments. THEN, our budget pays the monthly bills
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CarolR11 (Colorado)
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Virginia, it looks to me like both Tim & Kelly have provided nice sample budgets. They may interest other readers too!

Given the size of your HOA, Virginia--if you're still with us--your budget may not have nearly so many line items (separate expenses) in it.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
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With an HOA comprised of only 14 units, I would be surprised if there was that much to put in the reserve study to justify having it done outside (don't forget to add THAT cost to the expenses). Seeing as how a study is probably not required by the documents (which likely state that the reserve fund needs to be 10% of the annual budget, or something of the sort) anything above that using due diligence is money in the bank (figuratively and literally).

Even if they took a silly wild-azz guess and put $500 away every year because it sounded like a good number, it would be better than if they stuck with having a total balance of $400 because it was some random percentage of their annual budget.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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It's better to save as much as the HOA community can comfortably fund in these early years. Otherwise, you'll end up like our HOA and having to save about 27% of your budget to both build reserves while following a general schedule of replacements as an additional "treat."
VirginiaG (Georgia)
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Thank you to everyone who responded. I've found it all extremely helpful.

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