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JudithE1 (Arizona)
Posts: 21
Posted:
At one time, our HOA had 3 Board members who gave President their proxies for voting. These proxies for a 7 member board gave the President power for two years as they represented the Majority. We now have a 5 member board with majority consisting of (same) President, board member and proxy for President to use as she sees fit. I now read that Arizona law says no proxies allowed - only absentee votes. My question is...can the President send an absentee form to proxy holder to be filled out & returned, giving President Power of Attorney for voting.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Others definitely know AZ law better than I.

Are you certain that AZ law you refer to is about voting by directors at board meetings???? Could it mean voting by the memberships of HOAs on various matters?? Voting for directors, special assessments, etc.??

According to CA Corporations Codes and Civil Code, directors must be present in person or telephonically to vote at board meetings. Not proxies or absentee voting is permitted.

I suspect that AZ is the same and would want to see the exact quotation and document that states otherwise. Your own bylaws might mirror AZ laws.

Are you on the board, Judith?
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
I'm with Carol. A proxy for a meeting of the board of directors seems highly unusual.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
For a board that enjoys relative ease of deliberation, it's a courtesy to know how an absent board member may think on an issue....for business purposes, I don't see how it can count since inactivity affects quorum. Proxies - for regular board meetings - don't allow for a quorum in most cases.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Judith,

I am not an attorney and I do not work in the legal profession.

Expecting that your Association is incorporated as a nonprofit (most are, but check to be sure), then the Arizona Nonprofit Corporation Act, Title 10, Chapters 24-40, would apply.

Per AZ 10-3824, a Director may vote by proxy providing the Articles of Incorporation or Bylaws allow it. Therefore, the answer to your question will be within your governing documents.

If your governing documents are silent, then Directors may not vote by proxy.

Keep in mind that we are only discussing Directors voting at Board meetings. AZ statutes do not allow members to vote by proxy at annual meetings.

Hope this helps,

Tim
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Fascinating, Tim. Thanks for giving us the relevant AZ code. I read it the same way that you do. Proxy voting by directors is permitted at board meetings IF permitted by the bylaws or Articles (only). I actually think someone else made this point several months ago. Matthew of AZ, perhaps.

The appointment must be done on the proper form and the proxy only is good for one month unless the form info specifies otherwise.
JudithE1 (Arizona)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Thank all of you for responding to my question. The following is from our By-Laws written in 1973:

Article II
Meetings & Elections

SPECIAL MEETINGS:
Special meetings may be called at any time by a majority of the Board or written request of 20% of the membership.

PROXIES:
At all elections and special meetings, etc.

I believe the President, along with the board members, were under the impression that homeowners need not be present in order for her to use proxies, in other words, a non-open special meeting. Several issues were voted on and passed by majority of board during that time.

Since March 2013, with new members on the board, all meetings are open meetings, however she plans to use proxy at next open meeting.

Any further advice will be greatly appreciated.
JudithE1 (Arizona)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Thank all of you for responding to my question. The following is from our By-Laws written in 1973:

Article II
Meetings & Elections

SPECIAL MEETINGS:
Special meetings may be called at any time by a majority of the Board or written request of 20% of the membership.

PROXIES:
At all elections and special meetings, etc.

I believe the President, along with the board members, were under the impression that homeowners need not be present in order for her to use proxies, in other words, a non-open special meeting. Several issues were voted on and passed by majority of board during that time.

Since March 2013, with new members on the board, all meetings are open meetings, however she plans to use proxy at next open meeting.

Any further advice will be greatly appreciated.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JudithE1 on 09/22/2013 10:23 PM
Thank all of you for responding to my question. The following is from our By-Laws written in 1973:

Article II
Meetings & Elections

SPECIAL MEETINGS:
Special meetings may be called at any time by a majority of the Board or written request of 20% of the membership.

PROXIES:
At all elections and special meetings, etc.


I believe the President, along with the board members, were under the impression that homeowners need not be present in order for her to use proxies, in other words, a non-open special meeting. Several issues were voted on and passed by majority of board during that time.

Since March 2013, with new members on the board, all meetings are open meetings, however she plans to use proxy at next open meeting.

Any further advice will be greatly appreciated.

Your documents don't actually say "etc..." do they?
Elections are not board meetings
Special meetings are not board meetings
Both are meetings of the general membership.

And what on Earth is a non-open special meeting??
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Dave3 asks exactly the right questions, Judith.

What is a "non-open special" meeting? Is it possibly "executive session?" Is it a Board meeting or a meeting of the membership (homeowners))?

Diverging from Dave's opinion, a "special meeting" sure could be a board meeting that held at a "special" time, i.e., a time that isn't "regular." Special meetings generally only have one topic. See your bylaws Judith for a definition of special meeting

What exactly is the wording under "PROXIES."

It appears that there may be some confusion between board meetings and membership meetings.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Right Carol. There can be a special meeting of the board of directors. It's clear that the referenced text is NOT talking about that type of special meeting since it makes reference to a special meeting being called by 20% of the membership. It's not like 20% of the membership is going to get together and say "Y'all need to get together and have a board meeting without us".

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Judith

Do not confuse a Proxy given to someone to use in voting when fellow homeowners will be voting be the person holding the Proxy on the BOD or not. This is acceptable if Proxies are allowed in your Bylaws. Most Proxies expire within one year unless designated other wise.

A Proxy given to a BOD Member by a fellow BOD Member to be used for BOD motions and voting could well be another issue. Some states allow such, some do not.

Typically when a Special Meeting (one not scheduled) is called for (via the BOD or the owners), the scope of that meeting is limited to the subject/reason it was called for. The reason it is being called has to be announced. The only business that can be done at that meeting has to be related to the reason it was called for in the first place.

Typically meetings are:

Annual Meeting. Open to all.

BOD Business Meetings. Open to all.

BOD Executive Sessions. Limited to BOD Members and specific/limited subjects.

Special Meetings. Open to all.

Even what I say can vary from state to state and from one set of documents to another.

It could aid us in offering advice if we better understood what type meetings you refer to.

Hope this helps.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
DaveD wrote: "There can be a special meeting of the board of directors. It's clear that the referenced text is NOT talking about that type of special meeting since it makes reference to a special meeting being called by 20% of the membership."

I see it the way that you do, Dave. But I'm not sure that Judith makes that important distinction. I also think that there may be more about "special meetings" in her bylaws than what she cited. If not, the AZ corporations codes should help.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
One additional note:

I believe if a Special Meeting is called for by the owners, the BOD does not even have to attend. After all, they did not call the meeting.

If the BOD chooses not to attend, the callers of such a meeting can appoint a chair person to conduct the meeting.

I also think even if the BOD does attend, the callers of the meeting can still appoint a char and run the meeting themselves.

I could be wrong and it will not be the first time...LOL

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 09/23/2013 9:32 AM

This is acceptable if Proxies are allowed in your Bylaws. Most Proxies expire within one year unless designated other wise.

Please Note that under AZ law, proxies for Directors to be used at Board of Director meetings are authorized if your governing documents allow Directors to use proxies.

Under AZ law, 33-1812 and 33-1250, proxies are not allowed to be used in general membership meetings (regardless if the governing documents allow them or not) unless the Association is under Declarant (developer) control.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 09/23/2013 10:46 AM
Posted By JohnC46 on 09/23/2013 9:32 AM

This is acceptable if Proxies are allowed in your Bylaws. Most Proxies expire within one year unless designated other wise.


Please Note that under AZ law, proxies for Directors to be used at Board of Director meetings are authorized if your governing documents allow Directors to use proxies.

Under AZ law, 33-1812 and 33-1250, proxies are not allowed to be used in general membership meetings (regardless if the governing documents allow them or not) unless the Association is under Declarant (developer) control.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to read those as excluding proxies from Board of Director meetings.

JudithE1 (Arizona)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Dave,

Precise wording of Proxies from our by-laws:
At all elections and special meetings, on issues requiring a ballot vote, each member may vote in person or by proxy. All proxies shall be in writing with lot number, and shall be dated, signed, and executed, witnessed within thirty five (35) days of the date of the election or special meeting on issues requiring a ballot vote. The entire life of any proxy shall be thirty five (35) days and shall expire twenty four (24) hours after said election or special meeting requiring a ballot vote. Every proxy shall be revocable and shall automatically cease upon conveyance by the member of his/her lot by sale or transfer.

I referred to “non-open” special meeting, as this was actually what was held. Only Board members were present. We met to vote on several issues. The President had been given 3 proxies, which she used on all issues to be voted on. We were all fairly new to the board, including President, and unfortunately were not well informed with the CC&R’s. We took President’s interpretation of a special meeting at face value. The by-law wording should have read for layman purposes “Special meetings (OF THE MEMBERSHIP) may be called at any time by a majority of the Board or written request of 20% of the membership.” I believe this infraction would not have occurred.

JudithE1 (Arizona)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Dave,
I forgot to mention the three (3) proxies held by President were from absent board members.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JudithE1 on 09/23/2013 12:10 PM
Dave,

Precise wording of Proxies from our by-laws:
At all elections and special meetings, on issues requiring a ballot vote, each member may vote in person or by proxy.

In the words of the robot on lost in space: DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER

This wording is in conflict with current Arizona laws (see links provided in my posting just prior to this one). When a conflict exists, the higher precedent document (in this case, AZ law) is the one that must be complied with.

I suspect that it is left over wording from when the Declarant was in control (as proxies are allowed when a Declarant is in control). That section should have been removed. At the very least your Board and members should be aware that the wording is in conflict with applicable AZ laws.

If your Association is allowing members to vote by proxy, they run the risk of losing any legal challenge to any vote where proxies were used. This is not too much of an issue for elections but it can toss out any amendments to governing documents where the amendment was only adopted because of the use of proxies.

JudithE1 (Arizona)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Virginia,

Yes, I agree the Article II Meetings and Elections should have Proxies removed. Will BOD be able to make an amendment to remove and add Absentee voting or does this need a %age of homeowner's written requests?? We have 640 homes in our association and mailings are quite an expense.

I appreciate your helpful response.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Judith,
A modification of the documents is entirely unnecessary because they are unenforceable as written, being in conflict with the current law.

While consulting with the HOA attorney would be a good idea, I would think that the board has the ability to approach it in two ways:
1) Make an announcement to the general membership stating the conflict and stating that proxies will no longer be permitted
2) Make a change to the documents without a vote of the membership to strike the illegal reference to proxies. (I'd consult the attorney to go this route)

Regardless of the law, I don't see the quoted statement about proxies as having any teeth in a board meeting. Board meeting votes are NOT generally held by ballot, which is explicitly referenced in that text
JudithE1 (Arizona)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Dave, thanks for your advice. An announcement in our Newsletter would be sufficient.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JudithE1 on 09/23/2013 2:01 PM
Virginia,

Yes, I agree the Article II Meetings and Elections should have Proxies removed. Will BOD be able to make an amendment to remove and add Absentee voting or does this need a %age of homeowner's written requests?? We have 640 homes in our association and mailings are quite an expense.

I appreciate your helpful response.

Arizona, err Judith,

You would need to follow the methodology outlined in your governing documents to amend them.

As I read the law (and again, I am not an attorney) voting by mail is allowed.

Tim (Virginia is the State I'm from)
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
I think the board would be within the realm of proper action to amend the documents, but that's not necessary. A vote could take place, but so what? If the vote fails, it's still unenforceable.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DaveD3 on 09/23/2013 3:50 PM
I think the board would be within the realm of proper action to amend the documents, but that's not necessary. A vote could take place, but so what? If the vote fails, it's still unenforceable.

Many docs do give the BOD the right to amend/modify the docs to be in accordance with the law.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Judith, I'm still trying to figure out the following: Has the president been using the proxies from directors to vote for them at meetings of the Board?

Or at meetings of the membership?

You also wrote: "I referred to “non-open” special meeting, as this was actually what was held. Only Board members were present."

If your bylaws do not name a meeting "non-open" then there is no such critter. I do not think AZ allows "closed" meetings except for homeowner discipline, personnel matters, etc. These typically are called executive sessions. Can you tell us in a general sense what topics were voted on in the meeting that wasn't open to owners? Can you tell us why the meeting was closed? Or were owners invited and none showed up?

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