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AdolphusL (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
I live in NC in a pretty descent developement.when we had our house built 2 yrs ago were not told of any HOA there.After living there 1yr a managment company comes in and put HOA in effect saying it was there since 2000. I have looked over all my contracts and found nothing about HOA.So to be nice about itwe paidthedueslast year but this year they did a 100% raise on the dues! Is this legal and did he breech his contract? We didn't have any say so on the dues going up, no vote! TY
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
You belong to my new Association called Suckers Anonymous. Please send me $1000.00 for the annual membership fee.

Q. Are you going to send me 1000.00?
A. NO WAY IN H**L, at least not til your sure you ARE part of a HOA.

Couldn't resist a little humour so don't take the above in the wrong way.
If you are part of this HOA then there should be a set of CCR's (Covenants..) registered against your property. Get a copy if you don't already have them. Did you not know you bought in a deed restricted neighborhood?

The CCR's should state how, and by how much the dues can be increased. The max amount I've usually seen is ~10% without a vote.

Summary, don't send someone money just because they say you owe it. CHECK CHECK and RECHECK. Maybe you need to go back to the lawyer that handled your property purchase if you didn't know you were buying into a HOA!
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
Are there any townhouses without an HOA? Who else will collect funds and maintain the common areas and any amenities if you have them?
Who is this management company? They have no authority and should serve at the pleasure of the board. Are you sure there is not a board of directors calling the shots?
As far as doubling the annual assessment, that is probably not allowed. If you had documents, they should spell out how much increase is allowed each year. And perhaps even your state has a law as to how much it can be raised in one year. (Arizona allows a max of 20% increase over the previous year unless your documents state a lower percent.) If more money than that is needed, they must request approval from the members for a special assessment.
Call this management company and requiest copies of your documents before you pay any more. Check all your purchase documents for what you agreed to. Good luck. Harold
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
Oops. Don't know how I got the idea you were in a townhouse. Ignore most of my reply. But do check your purchase documents and request a copy of the documents from this management company. Sorry. Harold
AdolphusL (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
thank you for the input Harold. I have a copy of coenants and it says that assessments can be raised effective January 1st of each year but subjectto the limitaion that any such increase shall not exceed the precentage increase, IF any, in the Consumer Price Index (published by the United States department of labor) US city average, for all cities over the emmediatley 12 preceding 12 month period which ended October 1st. The base period for the Consumer Price index is presently 1982-1984 =100. Do we still use the 1982-1984 CPI or 2006? TY
AdolphusL (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Sorry, I mean't covenants.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
If the CPI increased 2.5% from last year then that is what your increase would be limited to without a vote if that is what your CCR's say. The cpi changes a certain percent from the base year each year. Sounds like they got a 'little' carried away.

PS now that you mentioned you have covenants it seem clear that you are part of a deed restricted subdivison that may just not have formed the HOA when you moved in.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Ty, since you have Covenants there is a HOA. In a new development it is controlled by a Board of Directors appointed by the Developer. Regarding raising the assessment check your Covenants again. It may be the limitation on percentage raise applies only to the Board. A vote of a majority of the members persent at a duly called members meeting may not be restricted on the amount of the raise. The CPI for the previous October 1st would be used no matter what base period is used.

AdolphusL (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
TY DJ, I understand we have a HOA but the problem is they think they can raise dues 100%! I know they can raise them according to CPI but not 100% I looked it up on internet and I came up with 2.5% just as you did and they pretty much laughed at me and one of the board members got pretty ughly about it and came out from behind the board desk and started walking toward me then stopped after realizing he would get into trouble if he caused a fight! I don't mind one little bit paying my dues but when the board is made up of crooks what can I do! And besides that they said they could double again next year! to me they are just crooks making us ( the homeowners) look like dummis, fools! TY
AdolphusL (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Ty Roger. But it plainly says in our covenants that it is Subject To The Limitation that ANY such increase shall not exceed the percentage increase in the CPI average (If any at all) that tells me that what they did without a vote to start with was plain and simple elegal! they can raise it up to 2.5 legally but has to be a vote on anything over that and has to win by 2/3 of the vote!
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
AdolphusL:
When an HOA is established, the developer usually lowballs the assessment fee just to 'entice' buyers. It is normally always increased after that time.
However, an increase has to be justified.

Why not ask Mgmt. company for copies of past financial reports so you can see firsthand the reason for the increase. It is obvious that if expenses exceed the income, the expenses have to be raised to cover adequately--and even provide a little cushion.

You have no basis for retaliation until you actually know if the increase in fee is justified and in what area/s. Then you have a basis to work from.

BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
I would also check your by-laws and covenants. Ours allows the board to only raise it 5% without holding a special meeting and alerting everyone in writing 30 days before that a meeting specifically to talk about dues is being held and that the association wants to raise it to X per year. Even then notice has to be sent out 30 days in advance of the new year to let everyone know what the new rate will be. Otherwise you can’t raise it.

The association tried to raise it 20% a few years ago and was overwhelmingly shot down (several people acquired proxy for their neighbors to vote no). Now we just raise it 5% per year and have had to become self managed to continue to pay for everything.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Adolphus two questions; how much of an increase are you talking about? A 100% increase of $20.00 is different than 100% increase of $500.00. Also has your community transitioned from the developer? If the developer is still in control the cpi restriction may not apply yet.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
AdolphusL (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
TY Glen
The developer has turned everything over to HOA, he only has about 15 lots left out of 148 so homeowners out number him and that takes all responsibilaty away from him. Homeowners have atleast 85% ownership. We have no park, no pool, no playground and only 3 common ereas and thats the 2 entrances and 1 small hill that can't be used for anything.As far as $20.00, I wish it was $20.00, lol!!!!!
It was $60.00 and it doubled to $120.00 and they said it could double again next year!! At that rate we'll be paying more HOA dues than house payment each month in a couple years!
Ty
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
They can't do that. Period. Get a group together and request a special meeting and vote those rascals out. Or file a lawsuit. If you can't afford to file a lawsuit, maybe your lawyer can write them a letter telling them what they are doing is illegal and could be taken to court. A letter shouldn't cost much and might do the trick. He should also mention their insurance would not cover them in a lawsuit because by this letter they are informed what they are doing is wrong, and if they continue they will be on their own to defend a lawsuit. The problem with some boards is that they know most homeowners cannot afford to sue them, so they think they can get away with whatever they want to do. Harold
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Adolphus:

I apologize if i missed this before, and it might not be applicable to your situation. When our developer still had lots for sale he had six votes per lot compared to just one for each owner. When we had votes on anything it was simply 2/3 majority of those in attendance or by proxy, so a developer with 15-20 lots still had around 100 votes in our association and would win any vote because we don't have more than 20-30 homeowners show up and vote. In your case if the developer still was in business here he could have done that to us. Thankfully we had a good developer who left us alone. Is it possible a meeting was called for a dues increase and it was voted in?
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
As PaulM stated most Developers do set the dues low to entice Owners to purchase. Because he subs out the work and the subs bread & butter work is the Developer, he then gets a better rate in landscaping, insurance etc. When the board (HOA) gains control many times they have to raise the dues to pay the increase in their budget line items.

A misconception of many Owners is the HOA is established when the homeowners gain control. This is wrong, the HOA is established at the time of the Developer recording the Articles of Incorporation within the state. It sounds like it was recorded as the board said in 2000. Once the development is 75% sold it then transitions to the homeowners and the homeowners gain control over the HOA.

In NC the dues can only be raised in accordance with your CCR's. Some documents say 5%, I have seen in NC some have read even 10%. I would read that section carefully to determine how much could they raise it.
AdolphusL (North Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thank You Gloria, Our ccr's doesn't say how much it could be raised but it does say NOT TO Exseed the CPI according to the CPI at the 1st of October it was around 2.5% not 100%, TY

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