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SamanthaW (Virginia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
As a new Board Member of my HOA, it has come to my attention (through an attorney investigating service issues with our management company), that we have lost our corporation status in the state of Virginia due to non-payment. It was terminated over a year ago, without our (the Board's) knowledge.

The Virginia State Corporation Commission has indicated to me that it can be easily reinstated (and a packet will be sent to do so to the management company at fault) but I am concerned that we have been doing business under this HOA's name that is no longer incorporated for some time now.

Any comments by anyone who has acted under similar circumstances?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Like most laws, your not violating any until someone gives notice the law is broken. If your HOA didn't know, then most likely no one else noticed either. Don't let the cat out of the bag to your contractors. You never know you had a bad relationship with them, until they find out you might have had one with you.
I wouldn't worry about it. Corporation status or not, your still a HOA. Corporation status just allows your setup to be "official" and possibly get out of some tax liabilities. (whatever they are).
Do the paperwork but also ask questions. I have NEVER heard of losing your corporation status due to non-payment. What kind of non-payment? Taxes? That's a little weird to me. However, each state has different laws. Can't say that is wrong. I know our HOA never had to pay anything to be a corporation except for the initial paperwork. Keep us updated. I wouldn't be surprised if this is some kind of scam but also not surprised if it is legal either.

Former HOA President
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
SamanthaW - Prior to your notification of loss in HOA status, you knew nothing therefore gross negligence will probably not apply, though if the HOA is adversely effected, someone may still claim gross negligence.

More importantly is what you, personally are going to do to remedy the situation now that you are a fiduciary for the Association. Now that you know, you must act swiftly to restore status. If it was me, and others did not act swiftly as well, I'd be off the Board in the blink of an eye with a letter certified mail return receipt requested with cc to my attorney as to my reason why. Additionally, I would request a certificate, or some kind of proof of HOA status on a yearly, bi-annual basis, or whatever, so it never happens again.

I'm baffled at the reply post "Like most laws, your not violating any until someone gives notice the law is broken.". That statement is 100% incorrect. That's like saying if you steal something and don't get caught you didn't break the law.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Samantha, your association is not acting illegally. Your association exists whether or not you are incorporated. Apparently VA is like CO where there is an annual fee ($10 if filed online, otherwise $100) which must be paid to maintain your corporate status. Normally the Register Agent will receive notice. Your Registered Agent should file. Perhaps the RA was your Managing Agent and you changed MA the old MA received it. It happens, the greatest concern is your Board members are not protected by a corporate shield when you are not incorporated.
SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
SamathaW...."It was terminated over a year ago, without our (the Board's) knowledge. "

No, you have not done anything illegal. This happened in my HOA. I was not on the Board but I was keeping tabs on everything and I notified the Board. I told them we were about to lose our statue and they did nothing for 4 months until it finally happened. We were charged a fine to reinstate. As Roger said, the Board and the Association were not protected if there was a law suit....But remember even if you have a MC, the BOARD holds first responsibility to see that the MC is doing all the things they are suppose to do. Get this done as soon as possible and make sure all information is up to date, with the new Board members listed.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Our Virginia HOA had the same problem, the agent failed to file the required paperwork. We filed the reinstatement papers and fired the agent. No consequences.

Dave
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Samantha:

As stated above, it is very important to get your corporate status reinstated as quickly as possible, and if that doesn't happen, the resignation by certified letter would be the way to go.

From what you put in your post, it sounds like you have a troubled management company. Normally, the MC would handle that work for the HOA; if it was a new company, that would include filing as the registered agent for the HOA.

It may be prudent for the Board to begin soliciting bids from other management companies, and review the termination clause in your current contract.

The BoD may also want to check with your attorney as to the ramifications of losing corporate status in Virginia, and if there are any particular steps that should be taken, in addition to reinstating corporate status. If needed, you attorney may be able to help terminate your management contract more quickly.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
PaulN (New York)
Posts: 11
Posted:
If you did not know it expired you cannot be held responsible. But now that you know you must file the correct papers A.S.A.P. You should also put your insurance company on notice of this. It does not state any claims but they must be made aware should someone make a claim you are covered. I feel it was simply an oversite and not intended to harm anyone. Send all papers to the Secretary of State certified mail.

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