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MarieH3 (New York)
Posts: 2
Posted:
BACKGROUND:

Area is primarily a seasonal environment on Lake Ontario. ALL but five residents (out of 25-30) are seasonal. Out of the 5, only 4 are association members and they are also 3 of these 4 Board members.

Residents joined the HOA under the agreement and premise to purchase property, owned by the HOA, adjacent to their own and with the promise that should the association dissolve, the members will be able to purchase/receive the remaining property adjacent to their own.

ISSUES:

Current issue is Board went ahead and spend thousands of dollars to have main private road re-paved. It was never brought up for a vote and subsequently the 'motion' was never passed and approved. This did not stop the Board. A Board member paid out of pocket and now has demanded the members reimburse him. A daughter of a member came to a meeting and informed the Board they could not demand reimbursement due to not following the stated HOA bylaws. That was at the annual meeting in 2012. NOW, in 2013 the Board insists on passing an 'Article' demanding 'back payment' (specifically what the Board member took upon himself to pay) and any money moving forward. This creates future problems as the Board will bill the members for snow plowing when only 4 members and 1 non-member benefit. The rest of us go up in April/May, closing our cottages down for the season Sept/Oct, depending on weather. (Note: Not all residents are members, but all residents benefit.)

QUESTION:

Can our HOA create an Article to circumvent/back door their insistance all dues/invoices, etc are paid within 90 days OR face losing the right to your adjacent property should the HOA dissolve and then make it retroactive so it includes the money the Board member wants to be reimbursed (which is the sole reason why the Article is being created in the first place)?

AllisonD (Florida)
Posts: 449
Posted:
What is the real issue here? you are a seasonal resident in an association (your choice) and the yearly residents chose to maintain the private road and paid for it themselves and you don't want to pay back your share? What is the law in NY regarding the requirement for a vote on this kind of issue?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
You didn't post what prevented repayment, usually repairs are a Board's prerogative. However to amend and change articles usually requires at the very least a 51% majority of homeowners vs 4-5 seems like a loosing proposition for them.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MarieH3 (New York)
Posts: 2
Posted:
There are three issues.

1. There are 5 yr round residents. Out of the 5, four are HOA members. The other 30 +/- are not. Yet the 4 who are there yr. round want everyone to pay for their plowing. There isn't any reason why we should as we are not there from Oct-April. Homeowner insurances were checked and given the cottages are winterized and not usred...'seasonal' - they do not require plowing as a condition of coverage.

2. Road as fine. It was a maintained gravel road. Yr rounders wanted it paved for plowing ease. Everyone contributed to replacing gravel each season. Our bylaws state a membership vote for approval is required. The Board did not do this but instead decided to go ahead with the paving, without vote or approval and now demand members repay the Board member who paid for the paving out of pocket. An atty was brought to a meeting where she explained to the Board they acted without authority and members were not obligated to pay the expenditure. Seriously ticked off the Board.

3. To backdoor the repayment, the Board (who are the year rounders) decided to put together an amendment stating (simply) pay what we do within 90 days of billing or lose your membership and right to adjacent land.

Issue is...nothing is done for the 'greater good!' Always for the benefit of the year rounders.

So question is can they 'retroactively' demand payments after an atty already told them they cannot expect repayment for the paving issue?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By MarieH3 on 08/24/2013 8:22 PM

1. There are 5 yr round residents. Out of the 5, four are HOA members. The other 30 +/- are not. Yet the 4 who are there yr. round want everyone to pay for their plowing.

This is simply a consequence of owning property in a vacation area.
If the CC&Rs require that the Association maintains the common area and if the roads are part of the common area (i.e. not city/county maintained) then the Board is simply fulfilling their obligation. It actually wouldn't matter if no-one lived on the property full time.

I understand that you believe that you shouldn't have to pay for something that you are not benefiting from. However, the Association needs to be in compliance with their own documents.

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Posted By MarieH3 on 08/24/2013 8:22 PM

2. Road as fine. It was a maintained gravel road. Yr rounders wanted it paved for plowing ease.

If the roads were plowed every year, then I suspect that the issue isn't really just the plowing.

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Posted By MarieH3 on 08/24/2013 8:22 PM

2. Our bylaws state a membership vote for approval is required. The Board did not do this but instead decided to go ahead with the paving, without vote or approval and now demand members repay the Board member who paid for the paving out of pocket. An atty was brought to a meeting where she explained to the Board they acted without authority and members were not obligated to pay the expenditure. Seriously ticked off the Board.

Sounds like those members need to be removed from the board. Of course, this will require the non-resident owners, like yourself, to step forward and serve on the Board.

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Posted By MarieH3 on 08/24/2013 8:22 PM

3. To backdoor the repayment, the Board (who are the year rounders) decided to put together an amendment stating (simply) pay what we do within 90 days of billing or lose your membership and right to adjacent land.

Who has the authority to amend the documents (just the Board or does it also require membership approval)?

If the expenditure was not authorized, such a statement followed by the actual payment may likely be challenged in court. Of course, a court case will require time, energy and money. The members bringing the case will not only be responsible for their legal expenses but also for their share of the Associations legal expenses.

Again, it sounds like the non-resident owners need to get together and become involved in the day to day business of running the Association and vote these people out of office.

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Posted By MarieH3 on 08/24/2013 8:22 PM

So question is can they 'retroactively' demand payments after an atty already told them they cannot expect repayment for the paving issue?

Too many unknowns to answer that question.
You need to ask an attorney who will have access to the actual documents, the minutes of the meeting where the decisions were made and has knowledge of the applicable NY laws.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
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Posted By MarieH3 on 08/24/2013 8:22 PM
There are three issues.

1. There are 5 yr round residents. Out of the 5, four are HOA members. The other 30 +/- are not. Yet the 4 who are there yr. round want everyone to pay for their plowing. There isn't any reason why we should as we are not there from Oct-April. Homeowner insurances were checked and given the cottages are winterized and not usred...'seasonal' - they do not require plowing as a condition of coverage.

After rereading this it appears that there are only four members of the HOA with voting power. If this is true then they would have the power to amend the documents and the others who are not members would have no say.

As Tim recommends you really need to have an attorney look into this.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
If only 4 homeowners are members does this mean the association is voluntary? And if voluntary, couldn't you withdraw membership and no longer pay? I suppose it all boils down to what your documents state in regards to the amendment process, as well as fines, etc.

DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Just to clarify a couple of things...

Did the board vote on the matter to pave the gravel road? If so, was the vote logged in meeting minutes as being passed by the board?

The cost for paving was paid out of pocket by a member, and not out of HOA funds, correct?

It appears that the board is trying to enact new rules to permit the ex post facto assessment for unauthorized improvements to common elements. If that's the case, it may be time to collect documents, meeting minutes, and anything else relevant, and head to an attorney. I highly doubt ex post facto amendments or rules requiring payment from members is going to fly legally (though a lawyer I am not)

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