💬 Join us to post & get advice from 50,000 HOA & Condo leaders.

Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I think it is time we get some perspective on what board members are and what they do. Not all BOD members are created equal. Their ONLY requirement to be a board member is to be a HOMEOWNER and VOTED into the position. A HOA is a NON-PROFIT corporation. That means the BOARD is responsible for making sure the budget meets what it is paid in as what is paid out. The end of the year and every year the HOA should have a budget of "0" and a capital improvement account. (this is the "theory")

A board member typically is a HOMEOWNER who wants to be involved in their community. The GENERAL membership then VOTES and elects that person to represent them on daily operations of the HOA on their behalf. Board members are NOT paid and are VOLUNTEERS ONLY. Once elected they then take on the operations of the HOA on the behalf of the general membership and are to run it representing those members desires.

Board members are also responsible for enforcing the restrictions. The way of doing so is in the documentation. They are responsible for collecting funds from those who don't pay. If there are capital improvements to be made, they make sure there is the proper funds to make that happen. Overall READ your documentation for YOUR HOA to see and understand the responsibilities and duties of a HOA board member.

Now this is the FACTS of being a Board member. It is hard written and in your documents. The above statements are not a be all end all definition. It is to give the reality of what board members are and do. Homeowners who volunteer so you don't have to. Unfortunately, they often have to act like politicians to get those positions. How else does one get votes if they don't advertise and run for an office?

Anyone who truly believes their HOA board members are underhanded crooks and rip off their HOA has no clear understanding of the REALITY of being a board member. I can't imagine in a million and one years how to make a "profit" from my or anyone else's HOA. An insurance claim money? Reality - It cost money to pay out for the deductible and hard proof of damage presented. Kick-backs from contractors? That's illegal and punishable by the law. It's not something the HOA should be involved in and reported to the police. A HOA is a VOLUNTEER only. If money was to be paid out, it would be subjected to taxes on the HOA end AND the BOARD member's end. Not much money for that in the end. There is no "HOA industry". If there was, where do you send your resume? Where are the working standards and a phone number for a national hotline? HOA's are ALL INDEPENDENT SEPARATE corporations with not one connected with the other nation or state wide. Insurance is an INDUSTRY. A HOA is NOT.

I am NOT "Pro-HOA" nor am I against HOA's. You make where you live and what you perceive you live, the way you want it. I can't change the facts and reality of the world or HOA's. The rules are written and available for free for public viewing. If you don't like something in your HOA, you can vote the board out or you can get a majority together and change it... It's YOUR own fault and no one else's if you don't take responsibility in your life to get the things you want. No one hands you anything for free or to your liking.

I've got respect for those board members who come here seeking or giving advice here. We ALL learn from eachother and promote the positive and real approach to living and operating a HOA. A resource I wish I had when I was a board member, President, or even a general member. I've learned so much and hope I've helped a bit. Thank you to all those board members who can stand a few slings and arrows thrown at them, still standing tall and standing for the best a HOA can offer...

Former HOA President
ValerieS2 (Michigan)
Posts: 244
Posted:
Thank you for treating us all, once again, to YOUR perspective.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Yeah I don't go by "Perspective" and "Urban legend". I go by FACT and the WRITTEN word. I find REALITY a much better option when dealing with the world... Crooked views are spread by those who have those thoughts. They try to hide it behind everyone else but the truth is, it is and always has been that person who is the crooked one... It's much easier to live life as if everyone else are "crooked". Plus it's good excuse when they do it because everyone else in their view is...

I make no apologies for having been a Board member. I did the job no one else wanted, volunteered for, or didn't do it cause they would not get paid. Some say BOD positions in a HOA is a "Thankless job"... I say it is a "ThankFULL" job, as I am doing it to be thankful of what I have. You thankless people can just stay home and whine about the world...

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
AMEN! As you can see around this website, there are board members who do great or terrible things and most of the others fall somewhere in between.

After 10 years of board membership (I’m stepping down in January), I’ve come to understand that if the people (homeowners) lead, the leaders will follow. I for one, have a lot of things I’d rather do with my time and energy, but I attend meetings, talk to the property manager, read EVERYTHING, rinse and repeat, because Board members should set a good example. If I wasn’t on the board, I’d still keep an eye on what was going on because I don’t want some yahoo who reads little and thinks even less to make decisions about my home and major investment. The least I can do is educate myself as much as possible to do right by my neighbors (and myself – why would I set out to deliberately destroy my own property values?)

Yes, there ARE underhanded and incompetent board members out who need to go sooner rather than later - it’s simply a matter of the HOMEOWNERS having the will to put them out. That’s the part that people have trouble with – instead of sitting at home and fuming or complaining to the spouse or dog, they have to get off their behinds, roll up their sleeves and get out of their comfort zone and shake off the apathy to get things done. It won’t be easy, people will get mad, cuss and threaten to sue, but as Frederick Douglass said “power concedes nothing without demand. It never has and it never will.”

Homeowners have to understand the power isn’t with the board members – it’s with the people who vote for them. And if you don’t vote or hold your board members, property manager, etc. accountable, guess what? You’re saying you’re ok with the status quo and the people currently running things.

Stop complaining, get off your ass and make the change people – that’s the only way it’ll get done.

Many of you have talked about passing this or that law to govern homeowner associations and in some cases, they are necessary. To get the law, you have to talk to your representatives and maybe testify in a hearing as to why the law is needed or send a letter (lots of them)! Once again, it’s about taking action, not just whining.

Just remember that even if you get a law pass, it’ll only be as good as the people who enforce them – meaning you will have to put your trust in the folks who were elected, hired or appointed to enforce the law. And so we’re back to watching the watchers – if you don’t sit up and pay attention to what type of people you vote for, you’ll be right back in the same bad situation.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Once elected they then take on the operations of the HOA on the behalf of the general membership and are to run it representing those members desires.


NOPE

their job is to run the corporation according to (in order)

1 - common fiduciary judgement

2 - state not-for-profit corporate law

3 - their corporate by-laws

the general membership's wishes come into play via changing the docs if they desire

eg. some of the membership (maybe all in a 55+) take the attitude: i may not be here tomorrow, so why should i pay........?

the corporate directors assume a fiduciary duty sometimes IN SPITE OF membership wishes (see # 2 & 3)

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The board is the "face" of the HOA. A HOA is a group of homeowners in association with each other which elected select members represent as a whole.

There are no "They" or "Them" in an owner operated/owned HOA. It is YOU and your neighbors. Board members are homeowners too. So why would they want destroy the HOA if their interest is in it too?

You know it is about time we had a post where board members can be board members. We do not know everything and need to have a resource to learn more and share. Why can we not embrace our efforts and take a little pride in choice to participate. We do not need to prove anything. Just be board members and do our best. We know the negatives you have to say. Once in awhile we would like to be positive and have some pride...

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnB26 on 08/14/2013 10:47 AM
Once elected they then take on the operations of the HOA on the behalf of the general membership and are to run it representing those members desires.


NOPE

their job is to run the corporation according to (in order)

1 - common fiduciary judgement

2 - state not-for-profit corporate law

3 - their corporate by-laws

the general membership's wishes come into play via changing the docs if they desire

eg. some of the membership (maybe all in a 55+) take the attitude: i may not be here tomorrow, so why should i pay........?

the corporate directors assume a fiduciary duty sometimes IN SPITE OF membership wishes (see # 2 & 3)


Actually, it’s a combination of the two. The Association has to be run as a business, meaning board members have to use their best judgment in making decisions that will benefit the business. We can’t predict the future of course, but the fiduciary judgment part should mean board members are asking questions (lots of them), debating the issues, asking the homeowners what they think (if they don’t like a proposal, they can always come up with an alternative the board could consider), consulting the property manager and various experts – and then making the decision and running with it.

Business decision making sometimes means people may not like what’s about to be done, but in most cases they will understand the thinking behind it if the Board is candid and provides details. I read somewhere that Board members need to think 10 years out, but concentrate on the next five – they don’t have the luxury of only thinking short term because tomorrow has a nasty way of creeping up when one least expects it. Better to be prepared and not need something in the near future than to be caught short handed.

Some (most?) homeowners don’t understand this because they (including board members) are short-sighted. We don’t understand delayed gratification or planning for the future – all we can see is what’s sitting in our laps right now. We don’t understand that life is unpredictable – the 55+ crowd might not understand why they should save now for roofs that will be replaced 25 years from now, forgetting that if they don’t save anything, they’ll have to pay a lot of money if, say, a tornado comes through and rips off those roofs they just replaced last year.

The board members want to be liked and rather than explaining why certain decisions are being made – and challenging homeowners to come up with alternatives – they fold and make short term decisions that aren’t very good. Then when the stuff does hit the fan, everyone screams long and loud about what the previous board did, forgetting THEY were the ones who insisted on the short term thinking because assessments were “too high.”

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AllisonD (Florida)
Posts: 449
Posted:
We all know what a nonprofit is; an organization that exists for the good of its members. Whatever your community consists of for which homeowners must share the expense and responsibility must be managed. The homeowners vested with the responsibility to manage, govern and control the affairs of your community is the Board of Directors. The Board is ultimately accountable for the community, although they may hire a management company and delegate some authority. In the end, the Board has the responsibility of working towards the common goal of all the homeowners. This is why for the most part, decisions are made at open meetings (I understand some of you live in states that apparently do not have open meeting laws. That is too bad that your Boards do not voluntarily conduct business openly). Many times, governing docs give the Board the ability to conduct association business without holding a meeting, meaning they can pay bills, contract for repairs and maintenance etc. The Board has a fiduciary duty to its members, meaning that the Board acts in the best interest of its members.

Board members are also leaders, or should I say should be leaders. Unfortunately, some people are attracted to the job for the wrong reasons. Other people take the job because no one else will, or because they wanted to volunteer but don't know what to do. Learning how to be a good Board member is a job in itself; every Board should purchase a book on nonprofits.... don't laugh but the Dummys books are not too bad for lay people. Search on Amazon for nonprofit books. Jossey Bass puts out good books too.

Board members must take the time to educate the residents on issues that come up so everyone can make informed decisions. Bad Board members exist, but every resident has a voice and has the ability to influence other residents with common sense arguments and whatever documentation is needed to explain their view. Its too bad that all Board members do not act with integrity while they are acting on residents' behalf.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Melissa,

I do believe I understand why you started this thread. I did notice some minor issues with some of your statements that may need to be clarified. These are:

Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/14/2013 9:33 AM

Their ONLY requirement to be a board member is to be a HOMEOWNER and VOTED into the position.

Actually some Associations do have additional qualifications. One of them I can think of off the top of my head is that they are current in their assessment payments. In reality, based on my on Associations governing documents, some Associations don't have any requirements (we have no requirement that Directors be members). Additionally, not all board members are elected. Some Directors are appointed to the position by the remaining board members or by the Declarant.

Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/14/2013 9:33 AM

Board members are NOT paid and are VOLUNTEERS ONLY.

From my research, this is true for most Associations but not all Associations. Some Associations do have paid Directors.

Additionally, some Associations actually pay their Officers but not their Directors. Since it's typical that Officers are appoint from amongst the Directors, when Officers are paid, it is certainly possible for someone to perceive that Directors are paid (as it's rare for members to differentiate the two positions).

Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/14/2013 9:33 AM

Board members are also responsible for enforcing the restrictions.

I've personally have not seen any governing documents that require Associations or Boards to enforce the covenants. The Association has the authority to enforce, members typically have this same authority, but it's the Boards decision to exercise such authority or not.

Mind you, if an Board does choose to exercise enforcement authority, they should apply their enforcement effort equally to all members. Otherwise, if challenged through the courts, they may be found to be selectively enforcing covenants which can cause issues.

Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/14/2013 9:33 AM

Anyone who truly believes their HOA board members are underhanded crooks and rip off their HOA has no clear understanding of the REALITY of being a board member.

Or, to be honest, the Board are actually underhanded crooks. I offer various news headlines for proof. Granted, I don't think it's the case in all Associations but, as the news headlines remind us from time to time, this is the case for some Associations and we should acknowledge that.

Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/14/2013 9:33 AM

If you don't like something in your HOA, you can vote the board out or you can get a majority together and change it...

I would only add that it won't happen overnight and it will be hard work. However, it can be done.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Thank you Tim for your comments. I was being pretty "general" in my post. There are always variances with each HOA. I did not want to cover the way a HOA works when a developer is still in control. Was limiting it to Owner turned over HOA's. Which most posters or board members who post here are in.

It's about time that we as board or former board members can state what we face and do in our HOA's. Maybe some understanding can come from that instead of constant criticism and false accusations. There are some good intelligent board members on this site or come to this site. They need some respect and the ability to actually share their successful approaches. People can learn from them.

Your HOA can be successful. It's just each HOA has a different measure of success. Success in my HOA is that we met our bills and it looked really nice. Other HOA's it could mean no one walked out of a meeting with a bloody nose. Any way you measure it, let's share that information and help people here... That's all I am saying.

Former HOA President

🎯 You've read this entire discussion

Join the conversation with 50,000 HOA & Condo Leaders:

  • ✓ Ask follow-up questions
  • ✓ Share your experience
  • ✓ Get expert advice
  • ✓ Access 350,000 discussions
Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in here