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JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
A board member wants to use association money to gather information with intent to, and build, a play area that not many people would be likely to use, and would probably be a gathering spot for unwanted activity. She wants to do this because there's money, and without getting homeowner input.
A couple of members support her. Can she or the board do that?
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Yes the board can if money is available. What they should do is alert the neighborhood they are looking at this and solicit feedback from them. Ultimately if there is money in the budget to do this all it takes is a majority of the board to say yes.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
JC3 - Maybe the Board can do it, maybe not. Ability depends upon whether or not there is a threshold of Board spending written in the by-laws or part of any amended by-laws. A responsible Board member would factor the maintenance costs, cost of replacement of the play area, and increase in insurance into the threshold of permitted spending. It never ceases to amaze me what Board members will do with excess income. Whatever happened to investing it in reserves for a rainy day?
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi JC:

The board may be able to do that...but the owners may be greatly upset, enough to recall some or all of the Board if money is spent in a way judged foolish by the members.

It may be wise to use the unspent money as a contingency fund, to take care of unexpected expenses (such as heavier than usual snow, or raise the association's deductible to save on the insurance premiums and use the contingency fund to pay deductibles). Or, lower the assessments a bit.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JC3 on 03/21/2007 8:24 AM
A board member wants to use association money to gather information with intent to, and build, a play area that not many people would be likely to use, and would probably be a gathering spot for unwanted activity. She wants to do this because there's money, and without getting homeowner input.
A couple of members support her. Can she or the board do that?

Possibly, check your association documents.

As a board member, if find it difficult to act in the interest of the community (other than paying the bills, enforcing the CC&Rs, etc.) without input from the members. Even though our phone numbers and e-mail addresses are on our website, only four or five members (out of 130 or so) communicate with me. Board members might not solicit member input, but they should be happy to receive it. In your case, there's nothing to stop community members from calling or writing the board or individual members to voice their opinions on the playground or any other issues.

BTW: In my opinion, a "play area" is likely to be a liability and a PITA for the association. Also, a PITA for residents living nearby. There's traffic, noise, trash problems, security, etc. Check some of the other threads on this forum.

Ron
SC
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
JC3:
There is no problem with the board member 'gathering information' to build a play area. The problem arises when/if the Board goes ahead with the project without member input and their OK to spend the money necessary. This Board member is barking up the wrong tree in looking to 'build' an amenity which presently only has a 'few' residents who are interested.

A playground is a long-term liability:
- the children grow up
- it becomes an area-maintenance headache: trash, vandalism, etc.
- it will require more Rules & Regs for residents & Board to uphold
- it may become a negative w/buyers opting not to purchase there
- it becomes a capital expense item (long term maintenance)

For a long-term amenity to be built and added to the community's list of services may also require an amendment--which requires resident vote--
if passed, filing with County--requires attorney.

Network with other communities who have play areas to see how they are managing it. Arm yourself with the facts: pro & con. Schedule a meeting for all residents to brainstorm 'what shall we do with excess funds?' Check your documents also on what is to be done with surplus. There are plenty of other ways to use the funds which will benefit ALL residents. Above all--seek input.
Good Luck!
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi JC3:

Just curious, does the board member with the desire to build a play area, by any chance, have kids just the right age to play in that area? This could be a nice way to avoid building her own play structure, by using the HOA's money. Just a suspicion, but if that's the case, she may not be acting as a fiduciary but out of her own self interest.

JPM
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
JC:

From our own experience I would caution against this unless it has overwhelming community support. Ours has become a haven for graffiti and vandalism and is a maintenance nightmare. Plus it isn't cheap. But, if you have a lot of smaller children it is nice to have.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Remarks:
Here is another one of those, take action if the majority endorses the project.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Take action if it good business and the expediture is
good of the association. All expenditures should be prioritized with one thought in mind. How much does it help the association. If you can make a case that a playground is the most important use of funds, build a playground. In my view and experience, spending money on playgrounds is a hard sell, especially if ranked with other projects, such as; Reserve funds, preventative maintinence, Re-coat black top, buy more fire extinguishers, smoke and co detectors, maybe add some small garden spot, etc, etc, etc.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 03/22/2007 12:46 PM
Remarks:
Here is another one of those, take action if the majority endorses the project.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Take action if it good business and the expediture is
good of the association.

Well, we are elected to represent the members aren't we? Certainly good business and the good of the association are important, but representing the membership is equally important. I'm not suggesting that every decision be put to a general membership vote, but I feel we are responsible for being in touch with the wishes and needs of the membership and acting accordingly.

A mention was made above of the membership recalling the directors for spending money in a way they didn't approve of. That does little good after the money has been spent.

Ron
SC
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Ron,
I understand your good intentions, but it reality, the board is elected to serve the Regime, the CC&R's, the Association, whatever you want to call it.
No different than the president being elected to serve the country. The elected offical should know what is going on in the populace and should also know what is good for the business (Association). But they should never elevate the will of the majority over the good of the Association. I will have to dig out this article written by a Condo Lawyer that explains this better than I. But when you consider this subject deeply, you will see what I am talking about. We are not in Iraq because of the will of the majority, they didn't vote to do this and spend all that money. They (People) have the power to recall or impeach the president for wrong doing, not because of legal actions he took. You could argue his actions were illegal (wrong doing)but thats a tough road,and wrong doing has to be proven, and if I am not mistaken, personal gain also. A good board is the board that can balance and rank priorities. That's what I believe.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Robert,

In this case, I think it's pretty cut and dry. There is no playground and there never was a promise to build one. The board seems to have come up with the idea to build one on its own. This might be an issue that should be voted on by the membership or it might not, but at least the board should get the feel of the members. It's not like which landscaper to contract or how often to paint the gazeebo. It's also an on going expense.

Ron
SC
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Ron,
If the system worked the way it was designed the owners would only vote for what was good for the Asssociation. In part that is why we have a board. They are supposed to have the information that will allow them to make decisions for the good of the property and are required and have agreed to not make personal decisions. All the monies spent is for the good of the property, supposed to be anyway, but it is plain, some boards get into trouble because they won't accept their mandate.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
RobertR1:
I respect your position re: (the Board is to..) Take action if it is good business and the expenditure is (for) good of the association.... This is a true statement but very unrealistic. Unforunately, this website is FILLED with problems that have arisen from a Board/Committee deciding 'it' is good business, the resident majority find out after the fact and are in total disagreement. Remember the saying, 'Because YOU can (Board) doesn't mean YOU should.

If you have a Board member who is serving from a personal agenda they will do what they want and usually will NOT seek members' input--most times, resulting in their removal. So, what have they accomplished? Nothing.

It has been proven time and time again with website postings that to bring an end to a serious community issue we have to 'take the violator to court'.
It's impossible to 'conduct business' according to the dictates of our covenant docs and be expected to play all the roles required--Judge, Jury, Enforcer and Neighbor, too.
PaulN (New York)
Posts: 11
Posted:
The community elects a board of directors and if the By-Laws allow the board of directors to spend the funds then a vote is taken at a board of directors meeting and if the vote passes then you go foward with the project. You should also check with the town officials for permits and rules & regulations re: playgrounds. You will also have to post notices for an open meeting to hear any objections to the boards decisions. Remember the final vote is yours.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Paul:

You are right. But any board that proceeds with any project that has lasting financial and other implications without obtaining many opinions from the residents that elected them are foolish. The board should feel a responsibility to converse with its howmeowners and get opinions and feelings.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Let me see if I can enforce my, and others, conclusions. I bet you a nickle you can not fing the words. majority, good of the people or let the people decide, in any of your CC&R's. You will find association, BOD, and look for this, "real property." Real property runs with the land and a law has to be made to change it. Owners can come and go, the property remains constant. The majority of the people don't own the real property any more than the minority. The read property is owned by all collectively. Collectively, you vote for the Board and this establishes their mandate. Now since the only thing in the association that is owned is the real property the board becomes the keeper, directed to protect, and manage the whole. (Real property) Your deed is listed at the court house as real property but as you see you don't own it. What you buy when you buy and sell when you sell is theright to live there (air space if you will).
I believe boards not knowing this and owners trying to be fair and don't know this is cause for 95% of all condo problems. Certainly, if the board is trying to please the individuals or one or all, they don't understand their job, and there-in the trouble brews and festers. Also the reason most advice about problems with condos end up with someone saying, "vote them out and get someone else." I also amy willing to bet that somewhere in your CC&r's it says exactly what I am saying.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Robert each Association's documents are different but ours requires that no capital improvements be made over $2,000.00 WITHOUT the prior approval of the majority of the Association allowed to vote.

Section 4.2. Capital Additions and Improvements. The Association’s power herein above enumerated shall be limited in that the Association shall have no authority to acquire and pay for out of the maintenance fund any capital additions and improvements (other than for the purposes of replacing or restoring portions of the Common Areas and Facilities, subject to all the provisions of the Declaration and these By-Laws) having a total cost in excess of Two Thousand Dollars ($2,000.00), nor shall the Association authorize any structural alterations, capital additions to, or capital improvements of the Common Areas and Facilities requiring an expenditure in excess of Two Thousand Dollars ($2,000.00) without in each case obtaining the prior approval of the members of the Association entitled to exercise a majority of the voting power of the Association, provided that during the seven (7) year period following filing of the Declaration, if Declarant shall own any of the units, its consent to such expenditure shall be required.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Well, we could beat this to death and I may not ever convince everyone, but in your case you are talking about the approval of a certain amount of money. Nothing is mentioned about what the project is. I would also imagine the board made the proposal to do something and it appears that project had nothing to do with satisfying the people in had to do with improving or changing the real property, that was what the vote was about, because you have restrictions in your documents and require the vote approval of the council is mechanics. The reason for the vote had to do with real property. If not it is illegal. I may have mentioned the majority could not use Regime money (and our Board is guilty) to throw a Bar B Que. It is not the Boards money any more than it is your money. It was collected from the Regime to protect the real property. Every penny spent should by law be spent on the Real Property. When you sell, you can not dig up a bush that you or the majority wanted, the bush becomes Real Property. Board members are also called Truste's. The money is kept in Trust by the Trustees to be used for the betterment of the real property. Think on it and you will begin to realize if it works that way, a ton of problems are off the shoulders of the board and the Council. The Board no longer strives to please all amd treat all individually. The board can council with the members and listen to advice, and should, (committees are not majorities), they are advisors under the rules of the documents. The biggest power I see the members have is to change what they don't like (kick out the Board) and hold the board responsible for servicing the real property. Then it becomes clear that the fabric of the whole is held together by the documents and their dictates. (Rules)
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 03/23/2007 5:29 PM
Well, we could beat this to death and I may not ever convince everyone, but in your case you are talking about the approval of a certain amount of money. Nothing is mentioned about what the project is. I would also imagine the board made the proposal to do something and it appears that project had nothing to do with satisfying the people in had to do with improving or changing the real property, that was what the vote was about, because you have restrictions in your documents and require the vote approval of the council is mechanics. The reason for the vote had to do with real property. If not it is illegal. (Rules)

Robert, of course anything built on Association property becomes real property that is not the question the original poster presented. It was can the BOD spend money on an improvement without homeowner input. The answer lies in what the original posters documents and governing laws allow. In our Association if the BOD could install it for $1,999.99 they would not have to ask anybody in the Association for permission to do it, one cent more and they would and if the majority said no even if it was the greatest thing ever then the BOD couldn't do it. This is the way it works in my little condo Association in Ohio; JC3 was counseled by others to check their documents and rightly so.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Glen.
Your Board can spend money up to $2,000 condo under your rules. Probably the By-laws or Master Deed (amended). The creation of the Association under State Law dictates the Board cannot spend ANY money unless it benifits the Real Property, whether the Council approves it by majority or not. I mentioned, the council or the board has no authority to throw a beer bash on association money. Ours does it, many do it, but it is illegal and if one member wanted to question or sue about it, they wouldd win in the courts. Be it a penny or a million. I have read many times about the operations of condos and spending money legally, and the good advice is always capitalized.
IT IS NOT YOUR MONEY. The money is assessed by law to protect and maintain the real property, not for the use of the majority. The majority should elect the board and hold them accountable to the documents, not to the majority.
A good example is a playground, and this happens more than we realize, I suspect. The majority wants a playground and they tell the board to get it done. The Board's action should be to determine if the playground is good for the Real property. There are all kinds of things that have to be considered such as insurance, available funds, who benifits, what kind of swings, etc. Now, the board comes back and says, no way, the playground will put us in the poor house or the board says, yes, we have investigated all aspects and we can do it, when we can amend our charter that allows us to spend moneey on the the additionaal real property and then the board has to register the playground and make it real property. Then what can happen in two months your occupancy ratio shifts and no want wants to spend money on a playground and petition the board to close it down. If the board approves they have to reverse all that allowed them build it in the first place. Then it becomes nothing because it is gone. For a real complicated situation think about putting in new lights for the common areas. First question is, does new light enhance the real property or is it just an effort to please some one that doesn't see well at night. Putting in new brighter bulbs is easy, altering the building to put in additional fixtures can be difficult and illegal.
I'm enjoying the discussion. Hope we are both doing a helpful service, I believe we are.
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
It is very helpful, thank you.

IT IS NOT YOUR MONEY. The money is assessed by law to protect and maintain the real property, not for the use of the majority. The majority should elect the board and hold them accountable to the documents, not to the majority.

Plus the suggestions of the upkeep, insurance, repairs over the years, etc...
See, I have been reading.
All this is very helpful.
MarciaW1 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Brad, I like the way you think. I was successful last year recalling my board because they did NOT "alert the neighborhood and solicit feedback." Now, 3 of the 5 members I have helped to put on the board just did the same thing...they just passed a "special assessment" of $2500 for new roofs. Not only did they not "alert the neighborhood and solict feedback," but 3 of the members of the board decided since THEY were a quorum, they did not even need to consult the other 2 (me and the other person who helped with the first recall)! I am in the process of recalling those three, as well. Also, I failed to mention that last year we had a "special assessment" of $1500 and there is $329,000 left over from it (technically). The board seems to have spent this "on attorney's fees, irrigation, etc" and are telling the home owners to come up with the $2500 in LESS THAN ONE MONTH. ---with no financing options! They said, "Go get a loan." HAH! Special assessment monies must be returned to the homeowners or used for another special assessment. I tell my community that they do not have to bend over and say thank you. BTW, I live in Florida and my HOA has 288 units. They have called a meeting for Monday to "remove a board member", guess who, and this is illegal, as well. I can only be demoted. And it won't be for long, either, because THEY ARE GETTING RECALLED!!
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
One other thought. In Florida, it is not legal for a board to sign a contract for over 10% of the annual budget, except for landscaping maintenance and community management. Everything else requires a board meeting with Owner involvement.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Marcia:

Thanks, I believe we are elected to represent people and you can't do that without soliciting feedback. I am curious on your special assessments, our association requires homeowner approval for any special assessment, the board can not do that on its own. Furthermore, I don't know Florida State Law, but in Kansas we are required to have open meetings, so when the three board members decided on their own to enact another assessment without consulting the other 2 it would be an illegal meeting up here and therefore the assessment would not be valid. Board members need to play by the rules, good luck.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
MarciaW1, if you want to win I would suggest you gather as many proxies as you can. If done right, you can dominate the proceedings. They each have one vote and you have say 50.

Our Association allows proxies for everything except for the election of board members. It is written into the By-Laws that those must be done in person.
MarciaW1 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Brad, right now I am going door to door with recall ballots. What is the difference between a proxy and a recall ballot? And how do I obtain a proxy? Thank you for your help.
MarciaW1 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Brad, what the 3 board members did was email each other like a "Survivor" episode........they knew they only needed a majority, and that is 3. They last minute decided to do the roofs and held a meeting when they knew I could not be there. They had a vote, basically told the people that they are getting new roofs and the assessment would be $2500, and that was it. I was not consulted prior to this, like the others did via email. And they knew I would be absent from the meeting. Also, they held the meeting at 6:00 p.m. so the majority of the homeowners could not be there as they were commuting from work. Therefore, did they legally have the meeting? Usually, if a board member is not there, they would have to call the other board member so the other board member would be available via phone. They refused to call me, as well. They surely did not ask the homeowners prior to this meeting and there was not a representative "pooling" of the residents at this meeting. Thanks for the suggestions and support.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
A Proxy is the owner giving you the right to vote for them as if they cast the ballot themselves. It is for those Owners not at a meeting who still wish to have their vote heard.

Check Florida Statute 720 to see what is required for it to be legal. You can do a google search for it.
MarciaW1 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Brad, I will check on the budget tomorrow morning. Thanks for the suggestion. If it is over 10% of the annual budget, what would your next move be? There is a board meeting tomorrow night.

MarciaW1 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Brad, I am getting the recall ballots so I think that is just as good.....do you think so?
MarciaW1 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Brad, I am getting the recall ballots so I think that is just as good.....do you think so?
MarciaW1 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Brad, they had the meeting and passed the assessment for $2500. Please define "owner involvement." Also, could you point me to the statute or law where I can read this in depth? Thank you, again, for all of your support.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
No it isn't the same or just as good; you need both if you want to be successful. Let me quote you the particular Florida Statutes; you can find them here:
http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0720/ch0720.htm

FS 720.303(10) says:
(10) RECALL OF DIRECTORS.--

(a)1. Regardless of any provision to the contrary contained in the governing documents, subject to the provisions of s. 720.307 regarding transition of association control, any member of the board of directors may be recalled and removed from office with or without cause by a majority of the total voting interests.

2. When the governing documents, including the declaration, articles of incorporation, or bylaws, provide that only a specific class of members is entitled to elect a board director or directors, only that class of members may vote to recall those board directors so elected.

(b)1. Board directors may be recalled by an agreement in writing or by written ballot without a membership meeting. The agreement in writing or the written ballots, or a copy thereof, shall be served on the association by certified mail or by personal service in the manner authorized by chapter 48 and the Florida Rules of Civil Procedure.

2. The board shall duly notice and hold a meeting of the board within 5 full business days after receipt of the agreement in writing or written ballots. At the meeting, the board shall either certify the written ballots or written agreement to recall a director or directors of the board, in which case such director or directors shall be recalled effective immediately and shall turn over to the board within 5 full business days any and all records and property of the association in their possession, or proceed as described in paragraph (d).

3. When it is determined by the department pursuant to binding arbitration proceedings that an initial recall effort was defective, written recall agreements or written ballots used in the first recall effort and not found to be defective may be reused in one subsequent recall effort. However, in no event is a written agreement or written ballot valid for more than 120 days after it has been signed by the member.

4. Any rescission or revocation of a member's written recall ballot or agreement must be in writing and, in order to be effective, must be delivered to the association before the association is served with the written recall agreements or ballots.

5. The agreement in writing or ballot shall list at least as many possible replacement directors as there are directors subject to the recall, when at least a majority of the board is sought to be recalled; the person executing the recall instrument may vote for as many replacement candidates as there are directors subject to the recall.

(c)1. If the declaration, articles of incorporation, or bylaws specifically provide, the members may also recall and remove a board director or directors by a vote taken at a meeting. If so provided in the governing documents, a special meeting of the members to recall a director or directors of the board of administration may be called by 10 percent of the voting interests giving notice of the meeting as required for a meeting of members, and the notice shall state the purpose of the meeting. Electronic transmission may not be used as a method of giving notice of a meeting called in whole or in part for this purpose.

2. The board shall duly notice and hold a board meeting within 5 full business days after the adjournment of the member meeting to recall one or more directors. At the meeting, the board shall certify the recall, in which case such member or members shall be recalled effective immediately and shall turn over to the board within 5 full business days any and all records and property of the association in their possession, or shall proceed as set forth in subparagraph (d).

(d) If the board determines not to certify the written agreement or written ballots to recall a director or directors of the board or does not certify the recall by a vote at a meeting, the board shall, within 5 full business days after the meeting, file with the department a petition for binding arbitration pursuant to the applicable procedures in ss. 718.112(2)(j) and 718.1255 and the rules adopted thereunder. For the purposes of this section, the members who voted at the meeting or who executed the agreement in writing shall constitute one party under the petition for arbitration. If the arbitrator certifies the recall as to any director or directors of the board, the recall will be effective upon mailing of the final order of arbitration to the association. The director or directors so recalled shall deliver to the board any and all records of the association in their possession within 5 full business days after the effective date of the recall.

(e) If a vacancy occurs on the board as a result of a recall and less than a majority of the board directors are removed, the vacancy may be filled by the affirmative vote of a majority of the remaining directors, notwithstanding any provision to the contrary contained in this subsection or in the association documents. If vacancies occur on the board as a result of a recall and a majority or more of the board directors are removed, the vacancies shall be filled by members voting in favor of the recall; if removal is at a meeting, any vacancies shall be filled by the members at the meeting. If the recall occurred by agreement in writing or by written ballot, members may vote for replacement directors in the same instrument in accordance with procedural rules adopted by the division, which rules need not be consistent with this subsection.

(f) If the board fails to duly notice and hold a board meeting within 5 full business days after service of an agreement in writing or within 5 full business days after the adjournment of the member recall meeting, the recall shall be deemed effective and the board directors so recalled shall immediately turn over to the board all records and property of the association.

(g) If a director who is removed fails to relinquish his or her office or turn over records as required under this section, the circuit court in the county where the association maintains its principal office may, upon the petition of the association, summarily order the director to relinquish his or her office and turn over all association records upon application of the association.

(h) The minutes of the board meeting at which the board decides whether to certify the recall are an official association record. The minutes must record the date and time of the meeting, the decision of the board, and the vote count taken on each board member subject to the recall. In addition, when the board decides not to certify the recall, as to each vote rejected, the minutes must identify the parcel number and the specific reason for each such rejection.

(i) When the recall of more than one board director is sought, the written agreement, ballot, or vote at a meeting shall provide for a separate vote for each board director sought to be recalled.


According to section 5, if you remove a majority of the board then you can immediately vote for a replacement. To put into office who you want would require votes; that is where the proxies come into play. If anything else comes up at the meeting, your proxy power would help you dominate.

FS 720.306(8) says:
(8) PROXY VOTING.--The members have the right, unless otherwise provided in this subsection or in the governing documents, to vote in person or by proxy. To be valid, a proxy must be dated, must state the date, time, and place of the meeting for which it was given, and must be signed by the authorized person who executed the proxy. A proxy is effective only for the specific meeting for which it was originally given, as the meeting may lawfully be adjourned and reconvened from time to time, and automatically expires 90 days after the date of the meeting for which it was originally given. A proxy is revocable at any time at the pleasure of the person who executes it. If the proxy form expressly so provides, any proxy holder may appoint, in writing, a substitute to act in his or her place.

Notice that it must be signed and dated and list the date, time and place that it is to be used. This would give you the voice of more than one person. If I was you I would type up something and have the date, time and place printed on it and then have people fill out their name, address, sign and date it. The process can be easy for them and you.

FS 720.303(2) says:
(2) BOARD MEETINGS.--

(a) A meeting of the board of directors of an association occurs whenever a quorum of the board gathers to conduct association business. All meetings of the board must be open to all members except for meetings between the board and its attorney with respect to proposed or pending litigation where the contents of the discussion would otherwise be governed by the attorney-client privilege.

(b) Members have the right to attend all meetings of the board and to speak on any matter placed on the agenda by petition of the voting interests for at least 3 minutes. The association may adopt written reasonable rules expanding the right of members to speak and governing the frequency, duration, and other manner of member statements, which rules must be consistent with this paragraph and may include a sign-up sheet for members wishing to speak. Notwithstanding any other law, the requirement that board meetings and committee meetings be open to the members is inapplicable to meetings between the board or a committee and the association's attorney, with respect to meetings of the board held for the purpose of discussing personnel matters.

(c) The bylaws shall provide for giving notice to parcel owners and members of all board meetings and, if they do not do so, shall be deemed to provide the following:

1. Notices of all board meetings must be posted in a conspicuous place in the community at least 48 hours in advance of a meeting, except in an emergency. In the alternative, if notice is not posted in a conspicuous place in the community, notice of each board meeting must be mailed or delivered to each member at least 7 days before the meeting, except in an emergency. Notwithstanding this general notice requirement, for communities with more than 100 members, the bylaws may provide for a reasonable alternative to posting or mailing of notice for each board meeting, including publication of notice, provision of a schedule of board meetings, or the conspicuous posting and repeated broadcasting of the notice on a closed-circuit cable television system serving the homeowners' association. However, if broadcast notice is used in lieu of a notice posted physically in the community, the notice must be broadcast at least four times every broadcast hour of each day that a posted notice is otherwise required. When broadcast notice is provided, the notice and agenda must be broadcast in a manner and for a sufficient continuous length of time so as to allow an average reader to observe the notice and read and comprehend the entire content of the notice and the agenda. The bylaws or amended bylaws may provide for giving notice by electronic transmission in a manner authorized by law for meetings of the board of directors, committee meetings requiring notice under this section, and annual and special meetings of the members; however, a member must consent in writing to receiving notice by electronic transmission.


This means that there can not be any secret meetings. If a majority of the board meeting, then there must be at least 48 hour notice and it must be open to any member of the Association. In addition, if the majority of the members at the meeting want to address an issue, then they can speak for at least 3 minutes.

FS 720.3055 says:
720.3055 Contracts for products and services; in writing; bids; exceptions.--

(1) All contracts as further described in this section or any contract that is not to be fully performed within 1 year after the making thereof for the purchase, lease, or renting of materials or equipment to be used by the association in accomplishing its purposes under this chapter or the governing documents, and all contracts for the provision of services, shall be in writing. If a contract for the purchase, lease, or renting of materials or equipment, or for the provision of services, requires payment by the association that exceeds 10 percent of the total annual budget of the association, including reserves, the association must obtain competitive bids for the materials, equipment, or services. Nothing contained in this section shall be construed to require the association to accept the lowest bid.

(2)(a)1. Notwithstanding the foregoing, contracts with employees of the association, and contracts for attorney, accountant, architect, community association manager, engineering, and landscape architect services are not subject to the provisions of this section.

2. A contract executed before October 1, 2004, and any renewal thereof, is not subject to the competitive bid requirements of this section. If a contract was awarded under the competitive bid procedures of this section, any renewal of that contract is not subject to such competitive bid requirements if the contract contains a provision that allows the board to cancel the contract on 30 days' notice. Materials, equipment, or services provided to an association under a local government franchise agreement by a franchise holder are not subject to the competitive bid requirements of this section. A contract with a manager, if made by a competitive bid, may be made for up to 3 years. An association whose declaration or bylaws provide for competitive bidding for services may operate under the provisions of that declaration or bylaws in lieu of this section if those provisions are not less stringent than the requirements of this section.

(b) Nothing contained in this section is intended to limit the ability of an association to obtain needed products and services in an emergency.

(c) This section does not apply if the business entity with which the association desires to enter into a contract is the only source of supply within the county serving the association.

(d) Nothing contained in this section shall excuse a party contracting to provide maintenance or management services from compliance with s. 720.309.


I seem to have confused my Association's By-Laws which require the members to vote on anything over 10% with the Florida Statute. It does however require them to get competitive bids if over 10% of the annual budget, except for Landscape Maintenance, Community Management or an Attorney. Our By-Laws require at least three competitive bids for anything over 10% of the annual budget and the approval of the members at the meeting where it is discussed; check and you might find yours say the same thing.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Marcia:

I am not at all familiar with Florida law, so therefore can't advise you on what to do. I do know that it sounds like they had an illegal meeting by emailing back and forth and my other question is did they give proper notice for the board meeting they did have. Sounds shady at best and I would bet money that just the board can't do a special assessment, they need to get homeowners to vote it in.

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