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FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
Posted:
Of all HOA nightmares this one just happened.

Our parking garage had a repair and replacement of a faulty gate. The gate had to be removed to be be replaced. Leaving our garage open and vulnerable.

Our management company hired a security company to man the gate, it was understood they were to positively ID all coming and going out of the gate..

CCTV is a god send. A resident claimed a car was stolen. It was... while the patroling security gaurd was indeed present he left his post about 20 minutes before the incident, it was seen he pulled his car outside the gate and parked it on the street.

A strange woman entered the garage gate.. carrying a black bag. ( not a handbag!! like a backpack) it was about 5 minutes later a young man walked in you can see him nervously looking everywhere including behind him as he entered. 2 minutes later the stolen car was driven out and the two individuals mentioned were NOT seen coming into the common area to enter their home via video.

I am pretty upset as most of the board members are. The resident has made it clear that he feels we are liable in one way or another and threatend to come to next board meeting. ( he is a renter so this can not happen anyway)

Where does the liability really lay? I say the management needs to act upon this incident with the security company.. it's easy to see on cctv what happened.
Advice? I know we are not legal eagles here, but since this is an HOA incident, I thought I'd put this out there for advice from you wonderful people.
thank you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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The individual should report the stolen car incident to the police and their insurance company.

The HOA should:
1) report the trespassing and stolen vehicle to the police and provide them with a copy of the security tape, the name of the security company, the name of the management company and the name (if known) of the individual security guard.
2) Tell the renter that the Association is cooperating fully with the police. That he should file a police report and a claim with their insurance company.
3) Inform your insurance agent of the details but not make a claim.
4) Let the insurance companies hash out who is to blame and who should pay.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By FionaC1 on 07/27/2013 9:28 AM
while the patroling security gaurd was indeed present he left his post about 20 minutes before the incident, it was seen he pulled his car outside the gate and parked it on the street.

I think that's the key point here. Would the theft have occurred if the guard had remained at his post?

Obviously, the management company thought it was necessary to hire a security guard while the gate was not in place.

Sooooo - I can see several being named in a liability lawsuit: The association, the management company, the security company that employs the security guard, and the security guard himself.

The court will sort it all out.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
do what tim said. do not discuss at meetings just say its out of your hands, talk to your insurance company. they will figure it out, its what they do. anything you say at meetings about this could be used against you and your powerless to do anything anyway, so dont get involved.
RayM6 (Virginia)
Posts: 40
Posted:
I agree with Tim's approach. Let the insurance companies and police sort out guilt and liability. Interesting note about the security guard leaving his post at that time and for long enough for the car to be stolen. Maybe an inside job or just a coincidence....
FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
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Posted By RayM6 on 07/27/2013 11:43 AM
I agree with Tim's approach. Let the insurance companies and police sort out guilt and liability. Interesting note about the security guard leaving his post at that time and for long enough for the car to be stolen. Maybe an inside job or just a coincidence....

One wonders.. but alas all I know is that you can see the security guard gone... and the people walking in are not residents or homeowners.. the female of the two entered the property from the main lobby a couple of times... then left keeping door ajar. It's all very suspicious.

White couple, mid 20s are our "suspects " our area is riddled with younger drug addicts... ( meth ) it's a very sad situation grand theft auto is not to out of the question.
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
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There is no bailment created by having either a gate or a security guard. The car owner needs to file a claim with his own insurance carrier.

I have to wonder whether the car owner had theft insurance. Many insurance policies provide a rental car if the insured vehicle is stolen. If I were the owner of the stolen car, that would give me plenty of incentive to file a claim. But . . . if I had no theft insurance then I would be trying to blame someone else for the loss.

What is the possibility that this was a repo rather than a theft? People often rent housing because their credit does not allow them to purchase. The car owner was a renter. Could his car have come from one of those buy-here-pay-here places that will repossess a car in a heartbeat?
FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
Posted:
The car was a 1993 Honda. Doubt it was a financed car just on the age.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Fiona

Do not assume, judge, guess, anticipate, get the association into it. The answer is tell the car owner to turn to their insurance company as it is not a association issue. The let the chips fall as they will.

Not that I am correct about the final outcome but I do know what the first line of defense should be. No my responsibility.....LOL
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
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Posted By FionaC1 on 07/27/2013 4:17 PM
The car was a 1993 Honda. Doubt it was a financed car just on the age.

Yeah, just the type of car that would have full coverage insurance! The car owner did not feel it was worth insuring against theft but thinks your association should pay for his loss. He chose to take that risk, not you. Let him live with the consequences.

BTW, those buy-here/pay-here places thrive on old cars they can get cheap. The down payment is typically what the dealer actually paid for the car at the auction and every payment from that point on is gravy. If the first buyer defaults, they repo it and sell it again and again.

MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
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Posted By FionaC1 on 07/27/2013 4:17 PM
The car was a 1993 Honda. Doubt it was a financed car just on the age.

That raises the question as to why at least two "car thieves" would target a 20-year-old junker instead of one of the newer vehicles in your parking area?

BTW, did anyone file a police report?

FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
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Posted By MatthewW4 on 07/27/2013 5:44 PM
Posted By FionaC1 on 07/27/2013 4:17 PM
The car was a 1993 Honda. Doubt it was a financed car just on the age.


That raises the question as to why at least two "car thieves" would target a 20-year-old junker instead of one of the newer vehicles in your parking area?

BTW, did anyone file a police report?


yes.. that is the responsibility of the owner. Not the HOA.
GlenL (Ohio)
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Posted By RayM6 on 07/27/2013 11:43 AM
Maybe an inside job or just a coincidence....

Possibly it was time for his break or he needed to relive himself.

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