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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
What are your thoughts regarding a Board's behavior that they have been given fair warning about from multiple channels in regards to some of the behaviors described on this site?
Since the question is general, the answer needs to be general.
I would say that the behavior would be inappropriate and likely not in the best interest of the Association.
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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
Assume the bad behaviors have happened. Are these behaviors exposing the members to additional liability if the insurance company fails to cover the expenses?
Additional Liability? No
Additional expenses, perhaps.
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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
[are] The behaviors increasing the chances of a lawsuit may also reduce property values and saleability.
Any legal action, if the member or lender does research on the Association, may make buyers and lenders concerned about purchasing property within the development (as they may be concerned of a special assessment to pay expenses related to the legal action). This may result in the property staying on the market longer. If the owner needs to sell, they may need to lower the price to entice a buyer to purchase and to lessen a lenders risk.
If there is a high number of properties for sale during this time and a majority of the owners drop their asking price, then this will likely reduce the sale price.
The value of the property, as determined by the local government, may not change at all.
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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
Is this in itself a failure of the Board to exercise their fiduciary responsibilities?
Fiduciary responsibility is making decisions for the best interest of the Association. Therefore, this would depend on the on the actual issue involved and the resulting consequences and would be a case by case determination.
Example: Selective enforcement is not in the best interest of the Association. However, enforcement is.
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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
Is it a failure to exercise reasonable care and caution?
Again, depends on the specifics of the issue.
If the board seeks legal advice and follows it, but the advice is bad, didn't the Board exercise reasonable care and caution by seeking that advice?
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If anyone agrees it is, what recourse does your state have for such behavior? If nothing, do you agree that if all other avenues are exhausted that a lawsuit is warranted? Assume that through whatever tactics Board elections are tightly controlled events (again as multiple folks have mentioned is the case with their community.) and throwing the bums out is not a realistic short term solution. (Also realize while you may be able to wait until enough time has transpired to change things, others will need to move in the near future.)
Please list the steps you would recommend be taken in these types of situations, and if all other tactics failed would you concede, even encourage, that a lawsuit is necessary.
Thanks.
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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
If anyone agrees it is, what recourse does your state have for such behavior?
In VA, if it's a violation of the CC&Rs but not of any laws, the recourse is with the member or membership. If it's a violation of HOA or Corporate laws, a complaint may be made to the common interest community board for review and action. See
Virginia Administrative Code 18 VAC 48-70 Quote:
Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
If nothing, do you agree that if all other avenues are exhausted that a lawsuit is warranted? Assume that through whatever tactics Board elections are tightly controlled events (again as multiple folks have mentioned is the case with their community.) and throwing the bums out is not a realistic short term solution. (Also realize while you may be able to wait until enough time has transpired to change things, others will need to move in the near future.)
Please list the steps you would recommend be taken in these types of situations, and if all other tactics failed would you concede, even encourage, that a lawsuit is necessary.
Thanks.
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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
If nothing, do you agree that if all other avenues are exhausted that a lawsuit is warranted? Assume that through whatever tactics Board elections are tightly controlled events (again as multiple folks have mentioned is the case with their community.) and throwing the bums out is not a realistic short term solution. (Also realize while you may be able to wait until enough time has transpired to change things, others will need to move in the near future.)
Please list the steps you would recommend be taken in these types of situations, and if all other tactics failed would you concede, even encourage, that a lawsuit is necessary.
Thanks.
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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
If nothing, do you agree that if all other avenues are exhausted that a lawsuit is warranted?
If they have truly tried all possible internal options, including an attempted recall of the board, then yes.
Mind you, having legal action be warranted isn't the same as deciding what is the best way to resolve the issue. The same consequences (both intended and unintended) are associated with any legal action regardless of who initiates it.
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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
Assume that through whatever tactics Board elections are tightly controlled events (again as multiple folks have mentioned is the case with their community.) and throwing the bums out is not a realistic short term solution.
We all know what they say about assuming things.
In cases where the developer is in control and, because of voting power disparity, I agree that there is no way to remove them from the board. Therefore, there are fewer options. However, in this case, public pressure though the media may be a better and quicker option than through the courts.
In cases where the developer is not in control, it's likely that less than 50% participate. Therefore, I find it hard to believe that a member, through hard work and over time wouldn't be able to convince enough members that changes need to occur and gain enough votes/proxies to make that happen. Of course, if the issue is more perceived than real, it's possible that support won't be there.
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(Also realize while you may be able to wait until enough time has transpired to change things, others will need to move in the near future.)
If the issue is real, I can't help that others need to sell and move. If I'm the one who is staying and having to live there then it would be more important to me that things are resolved. Handling things internally is typically quicker and has less consequences on saleability of individual properties in an Association than any legal action.
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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
Please list the steps you would recommend be taken in these types of situations,
I've given specifics in many other threads.
Basically I would gather support to the cause which would be measured in signatures on a recall petition, actual votes or the number of proxies I receive.
Support is typically gathered by educating the membership about the issue.
Education can be done in various ways, newsletters, individual mailings, meetings, door to door discussions, involving the media, etc.
Once support is gathered, changes can occur.
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Posted By FrankS10 on 07/26/2013 5:16 AM
if all other tactics failed would you concede, even encourage, that a lawsuit is necessary.
I've said it before. Not all issues can be resolved internally and not all issues can be resolved through the courts.
Gathering support takes time, energy and money. So does any legal action.
Typically resolving the issue internally is quicker and less expensive.