StephanieM5 (Michigan)
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Posts: 6
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Our Michigan subdivision's CC&R's are dated in 1958 with a 25 period initial renewal and every 15 years thereafter. These were recorded at the local county offices. No amendments or changes have been made since 1958. The inital land was developed over 20 years and our HOA was created in 1966. There are 7 separate subdivisions on the original land. This is the year that we can make amendments to our CC&R. The biggest area of discussion among the 250+ homeowners relates to sheds, pools, and fences. Our CC&R state:
No building, fence, wall, sea wall, piling or other structures shall be commenced, erected or maintained nor shall any addition to or change or alteration therein be made, except interior alterations, until one complete copy of the plans and specifications showing the nature, kind, shape, height, and materials, color scheme location on lot an approximate cost of such structure and the grading plan (topography and landscaping included) of the lot to be built upon, which have been submitted to and approved in writing by the Party of the First Part or their duly authorized agent...
Our HOA also have a separate set of construction specifications which are a little stricter with regards to sheds, pools and fences:
No above ground swimming pools allowed; in-ground pools of gunnite or vinyl liner only.
No fences allowed except as required by state and township requirements for swimming pool safety. The minimum of 4 ft. chain link
or equivalent is recommended and to be placed around the immediate pool area and not to exceed the length of the existing home.
All fencing must be approved by the xxx Board and a property improvement form must be completed.
No sheds, barns or pole barns to be constructed except for approved permanent construction with standard construction footing that is permanently attached to the existing home structure.
Over the years the construction specifications have changed. Initially they stated No Metal Sheds, now no sheds at all unless attached to the house.
My question is can the construction specifications be changed without homeowner's voting on it? I asked our HOA president who has been helpful. We looked at past meeting minutes and did not easily see where the specs were discussed at any meeting. He asked the HOA attorney who said they are enforceable but wouldn't explain under what rule/section/etc. Or how can they be changed? There is not mention in the HOA's constitution. I heard "that's the way it has always been done" many times.
We do not have any committees within our HOA. The HOA president approves the construction requirements.
An interesting side note is that when I went to the county and looked up my address and subdivision there are a separate set of cc&R on file, not these from 1958. The HOA attorney stated that the newer CC&R's are not enforceable. When I looked under our HOA name, the original CC&R do not come up.
Any advice or insight? Thank you.
Stephanie
No building, fence, wall, sea wall, piling or other structures shall be commenced, erected or maintained nor shall any addition to or change or alteration therein be made, except interior alterations, until one complete copy of the plans and specifications showing the nature, kind, shape, height, and materials, color scheme location on lot an approximate cost of such structure and the grading plan (topography and landscaping included) of the lot to be built upon, which have been submitted to and approved in writing by the Party of the First Part or their duly authorized agent...
Our HOA also have a separate set of construction specifications which are a little stricter with regards to sheds, pools and fences:
No above ground swimming pools allowed; in-ground pools of gunnite or vinyl liner only.
No fences allowed except as required by state and township requirements for swimming pool safety. The minimum of 4 ft. chain link
or equivalent is recommended and to be placed around the immediate pool area and not to exceed the length of the existing home.
All fencing must be approved by the xxx Board and a property improvement form must be completed.
No sheds, barns or pole barns to be constructed except for approved permanent construction with standard construction footing that is permanently attached to the existing home structure.
Over the years the construction specifications have changed. Initially they stated No Metal Sheds, now no sheds at all unless attached to the house.
My question is can the construction specifications be changed without homeowner's voting on it? I asked our HOA president who has been helpful. We looked at past meeting minutes and did not easily see where the specs were discussed at any meeting. He asked the HOA attorney who said they are enforceable but wouldn't explain under what rule/section/etc. Or how can they be changed? There is not mention in the HOA's constitution. I heard "that's the way it has always been done" many times.
We do not have any committees within our HOA. The HOA president approves the construction requirements.
An interesting side note is that when I went to the county and looked up my address and subdivision there are a separate set of cc&R on file, not these from 1958. The HOA attorney stated that the newer CC&R's are not enforceable. When I looked under our HOA name, the original CC&R do not come up.
Any advice or insight? Thank you.
Stephanie