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LindaB5
Posts: 23
Posted:
Hi.......

I have a queston with regard to FL HOA Laws regarding proxy votes and cannot find clarification on this anywhere....

I have several different answers and was told that a Scanned or Faxed Signed Proxy is valid and acceptable.......

Then I was told that it wasn't.......

Does anyone know definitely which is right?

Thank you....

Linda
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
I believe that it depends on state laws. Virginia Property Association Act allows for this.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
FL Corporate laws and FL HOA laws would be applicable to proxies.

Per FL 720.306 (8):

8(a) To be valid, a proxy must be dated, must state the date, time, and place of the meeting for which it was given, and must be signed by the authorized person who executed the proxy. A proxy is effective only for the specific meeting for which it was originally given, as the meeting may lawfully be adjourned and reconvened from time to time, and automatically expires 90 days after the date of the meeting for which it was originally given. A proxy is revocable at any time at the pleasure of the person who executes it. If the proxy form expressly so provides, any proxy holder may appoint, in writing, a substitute to act in his or her place.

Per FL 617.0721,

2) A member who is entitled to vote may vote in person or, unless the articles of incorporation or the bylaws otherwise provide, may vote by proxy executed in writing by the member or by his or her duly authorized attorney in fact. An appointment of a proxy is not valid after 11 months following the date of its execution unless otherwise provided in the proxy.

(b) A corporation may reject a vote, consent, waiver, or proxy appointment if the secretary or other officer or agent authorized to tabulate votes, acting in good faith, has a reasonable basis for doubting the validity of the signature on it or the signatory’s authority to sign for the member.

Based on the emphasized language above, it appears that it's up to the Board. If the Board has good reason to not believe a faxed copy is from the member, then they may reject it.

I would suggest that you ask your Board if they have a problem accepting a faxed proxy from you.

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
I don't recall seeing anything regarding faxes in the statutes so I don't think it would necessarily be ok or not. Who is telling you that you cannot fax?

My thoughts would be that anyone telling you no may have their own interests in mind. I had a HOA that only allowed proxies to two of the board members. They then denied homeowners voting rights or entrance to the meeting. This created an atmosphere of perpetual ignorance. People submitted proxies never seeing the garbage that was going on and the board used those proxies to push their destructive agenda. They also used them to drown out any opposition.

I'd check Statute 720 and 617 for more info and if you are being told information contrary to those laws then there is something wrong (and I wouldn't be surprised if there is more then just that going on).
LindaB5
Posts: 23
Posted:
I am on the board and we always accepted faxed or scanned proxies....... An attorney who has a vested interest in changing the existing bylaws of the Master Association indicated at a meeting with regard to proxies that first and foremost they were deleting this from our bylaws amd that we could no longer accept proxies and when I stated that we have homeowners who reside out of the country and this might be the only option since they could fax or scan them over he was adamant that they would no longer have this option.... He has a very close friendship with another board member and this is what this board member wants......We went back and forth with this issue and someone asked him if in fact we could accept faxed or scanned proxies and he squirmed and made a ridiculous statement that "One wouldn't be arrested if they did......but well, no you really should not accept them." He didn't seem too confident in his answer and I searched all over FL 720 and cannot find anything that states that one CANNOT ACCEPT THIS........
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
If you look at the entire section of the laws I linked in my earlier posting, FL law give the option of proxies to the Assocaition.

If the governing documents say proxies are allowed, then proxies are allowed.
If the governing documents are silent (don't address proxies), then proxies are allowed.
If the governing documents prohibit proxies, then proxies are not allowed.

Typically, if Associations do not use proxies they adopt language to allow ballots by mail. The best way to do this would be with a dual envelope system. You may read more about using double envelopes from the CA davis-stirling Secret Ballots web page.
LindaB5
Posts: 23
Posted:
But the question still remains..........are scanned and faxed proxies valid..... There is nothing nowhere that stays they aren't so in essence I would assume that they would be permitted...... This was the argument that we were having........ Are they or aren't they????
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By LindaB5 on 07/18/2013 9:04 AM
But the question still remains..........are scanned and faxed proxies valid.....

As I said in my first posting, that will be up to the Board.

The law, cited earlier, is silent on how the proxy is to be delivered. Therefore, the Board can accept or reject proxies that don't have the original signature. Hence, the Board should adopt a policy on what is considered acceptable delivery.

Personally, I don't have an issue with faxed or even e-mailed copies of proxies. However, you are asking what the law says. Since FL law is silent, your Board needs to make that decision.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LindaB5 on 07/18/2013 9:04 AM

This was the argument that we were having........ Are they or aren't they????

If you lived in VA, they would be valid (per VA § 13.1-847).

However, since you live in FL and FL statutes are silent, the Board must make that decision on their own. You are on the Board, so call for a vote and majority rules.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
In SC, electronic transmission of a document is allowed unless the corporation bylaws say otherwise.

I say if there is no specific ban against such in the articles of incorporation nor association docs, then it is allowed.

Like the answer in yes unless you can show me where it says no. Rebuttal is well it does not say it is allowed. Rebuttal is it is near impossible to list all that is allowed. Much easier to say what it not allowed. As an example, we say no glass containers are allowed at the pool but we do not list what type/material containers are acceptable.

LindaB5
Posts: 23
Posted:
And you are absolutely correct...... The response that finally came back was both from a Property Mgmt. Co. and another from an attorney..... Both of their responses was YES they are allowed and have been used.... My argument all along was just like yours, if it doesn't say you can't then you can!!!

Thank you all......

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