vehicle documention sought by board

Barbara,

I would not send them copies of any state-issued documents. If they want copies, let them go to the state and request them. Once they have those copies you have no control over what they do with them. (Don't know about FL, but in my state they would have to show MVD some legitimate need for copies.)

Somebody is way overreaching.

Drivers license number could be handy for some scams, I suppose. Somebody needs to have a long talk with whoever is responsible for this nonsense.

Vehicle info including license number and associating it with a unit makes sense. The rest is crazy.

One big problem is that any information given by a resident becomes part of the association's records. Any other owner could demand to see that information.

In AZ, nearly everything in the records is open to inspection and copying. Among the exceptions are personal financial information (not defined) and personal medical records. I do not think the motor vehicle records would fit either exception other than maybe an application for a handicapped license plate. My understanding is that Florida his similar open records laws.

Dave, looks like we are on the same page. None of this is in the Bylaws.
All of this came out of the blue (can't say sky, because it's been pouring rain forever!)
Barbara

Carol, my sentiment exactly, HOA and Mgmnt co has no authority to ask for additional personal info. It's not in the Bylaws.
It is good to hear it from someone else.

I don't see the problem here because it is pretty much public information. One can easily look at your car and get the make/model/license #. That's easy to understand why personnel at a security gate would want that. As for your driver's license information, the street are STILL required to have the legal requirements to drive on them. You should have a valid drivers license to drive on ANY roadway out of your driveway. The roads may be "Private" but they also must obey the law of only licensed drivers/vehicles on them.

The insurance information if your state requires you to be insured should be provided to. Sometimes when I get my vehicle registration, it is required I show my insurance to them. Our state has a system that sends out notices that requests proof of insurance to be provided to them. It is a random survey type thing to catch those driving illegally without insurance. We are required to have liability insurance to drive. The HOA should know that you are legal to drive too.

The area where I live has an army base. If you ever access that base, you have to provide a valid driver's license, registration, and a copy of your insurance card. They will and do search you. The whole 9 yards of getting out of your vehicle, opening all the doors, hood and trunk. Even take mirrors under your car! This is a US government installation. If you don't have any of this information on you, they send you off the base immediately and give you a ticket. Which is a FEDERAL offense and has to be dealt with on the FEDERAL not local level.

At one time we also had to get stickers for each vehicle. That entailed providing all that information as well. Your HOA hasn't gone that far yet. It is asking for things that even a cop or if you had an accident would request. This is not an invasion of privacy as the information isn't private to begin with...

You have no need to know because I am not driving a car on here....

If I am driving on roads that say by law to have that information on me at all times, then it would be made available.

Melissa is way off base here. (Pun appropriate, but not fully intended).

Here I have to stand with Mike the monomaniac. It is not the responsibility of the HOA to enforce vehicle registration rules, or state requirements for insurance. We have police for that.

There is nothing for the HOA to enforce, and there is nothing they can DO with the information. (I'm talking about the crazy stuff, driver's license numbers, insurance company, stuff like that). Probably this all started with some dimwit writing up a form, and asking himself what kinds of information he could ask for that had to do with cars. Whether or not it was useful, relevant, or intrusive.

We will defuse the anti-HOA wackos if we stand against overly intrusive rules. And this is one of them. There is a very legitimate need for the HOA to know who a car belongs to and what unit it is associated with. No more than that.

By the way, I have HAD a permit to drive my car onto a US government installation. And for one of those agencies with, umm, responsibilities, and not just for small arms. THEY didn't ask for my insurance.

The car info that the OP first listed is plenty to take of damage, etc. MAny HOAs will fine owners who damage the premises, for example, for the cost of repair. How will vehicle registration help? How will isur. info help? How will driver lic. info help?

We know who the car owner is that's permitted to park in our deeded spaces and in our visitors parking spaces. Authorized visitors also provide their tag #, make/model/color of vehicle and who they're visiting.

Barbara, even if "this all happened after the annual meeting, the Board's decision to enact these rules should be recorded in some meeting minutes. I hope your MC doesn't have the authority to make those decisions on their own!

juuuust to play devil's advocate:

my xyz HOA, Inc. has peivate streets and a covenant and restriction which bans the operation of ANY motor vehicle except by a "state licensed operator"

this includes (upheld by a court case decision) a battery driven motorized skateboard,
electric and/or gas golf carts, mopeds, ANY MOTOR DRIVEN DEVICE DESIGNED TO CARRY A RIDER (yes, including riding mowers if even 1 wheel 'hits the street'))

so, a list of licensed drivers would/could be helpful

none of those pesky actual living persons in MY 55+ community

How does your HOA enforce that covenant, JohnB26?

I used to think that Americans were somehow geneticly superior to other countries when I heard all the crap that was going on

in...say...Russia or something.

It is refreshing to know that ALL human beings are the same.

This HOA business mimics every cheesy tin pot banana republic that ever existed, without the bananas (the actual fruit that is)

Maybe I will run for the board and demand a uniform with all the unearned fruit salad like those laughable fat putzs wear!

Then I can strut around and demand assinine things like this!