HOA'S and Nudity

You seem to be in a particularly European part of Ohio.

Our rules are that "swimsuits must be worn." So far there does not seem to have been a need to define this further.

A non board member with no authority could have simply asked the women to cover up .

Glen, stick to the facts you have, and just keep telling the detractors.

it's not illegal, and so, even should the HOA want to make a stricter rule, and require tops, headgear, coverups, etc., it can only be done if the same requirement goes for men too.

It's not against your rules.
It's not against the State of Ohio rules.

you cannot enforce something that isn't illegal.

Our rules say that: "Only persons dressed in standard swimwear are allowed in the pool or spa. Nudity or nude sunbathing in these areas is not tolerated."

This also keeps folks from wearing street clothes out of the pools, which would lead to slippery puddles in our elevators.

So, perhaps a new non-gendered rule would silence the busybodies.

Got a laugh out of some of the other comments!!

Carol

Our rules say that: "Only persons dressed in standard swimwear are allowed in the pool or spa. Nudity or nude sunbathing in these areas is not tolerated."

I suggest the following change:

"Nudity or nude sunbathing in the pool or spa areas is not tolerated, unless the BOD votes that the person looks good nude."

I used to live in Ohio and had totally forgotten that it was legal to go topless. Thanks for reminding us... Who is going to enforce this rule and will there be fines?

Here in the south we have two definitions of nudity... Naked and Nekkid... If your naked, you get arrested... If your "nekkid", you had too much beer...

Unfortunately it is the ones you least want to see who are the first to do it. Further research (oh how I like "research") shows that there are only three states where topless is against the law IN, TN, & Utah 14 or so where the law is questionable or has not been tested, the rest including CA and just for you Melissa AL it's evidently legal. The above does not constitute legal advice.

Glen as a result of your post, tonight at our monthly meeting I asked that the MC have a sign made and posted in our pool area informing those using the pool that in fact topless bathing for women was legal.

I certainly would never support the imposition of restrictions against those women who use our pool after the information you provided.

What's right is right.....

I saw a women recently. She must have been 70 and had implants when she was young. She was wrinkly, overly tanned, look old....but they were perky...and she liked showing them a bit.

It looked like new seats in junked car.........LOL

If you're going to enforce these type of rules, you should at least have a security camera going to back you up. LOL In my first job as an on-site manager in a small condo assn, I had an apartment in the clubhouse and the bedroom looked out over the pool. I periodically had to chase kids out of the pool at night, but my tenure as manager began to come to an end when I caught my board president and her husband skinny dipping one night. When I turned on the spotlights (this was before motion detectors) which made the pool now visible to just about anyone in a one block radius, as well as cars going by, she tried to stay underwater for as long as she could, but eventually..... I quietly pointed out, while looking the other way, that she had been one of the people getting on my case to enforce the after-hour pool rules, and that I would go back inside and turn the lights out. And this was before cell phone cameras too, so I had no evidence. Within a month she had asked the management company to replace me.

On Joseph's note - Some of the new NVR systems with digital IP cams are very reasonable and good quality. They are very much an effective detererant to some behavior patters. Excellent suggestion.

A word of warning about pool cameras... Some may view this as an invasion of privacy. Considering your about naked at the pool. That is why we never installed any cameras at the pool area aimed at bathers. They were at front entrances or the bathroom area. Just in the areas to show the break ins.

It's kind of reminds me when you go to the mall and the security cameras look down someone's shirt. There is a fine line there. Yes you are out in public, but do you really want your junk out in who knows where?

Keep in mind that cameras do not stop crime. They just report/show it. The crime has still happened. It's just helpful to assist in proving who and what damages.

By the way, we had an indescent exposure incident at our pool. I was there when it happened but did not see it. A guy while kids were playing around the area, showed her is "Brain". He wanted her to touch it. She got up and left. Later calling the cops and me. This guy had a history of walking naked in his house in front of the open windows. It was quite creepy. Considering he was married with 2 kids, and a boy scout leader! The police could not find him they claimed to prosecute. However, I had to deal with the reports of this perv who even tried to feel me up!!! When naked turns ugly.... It turns really ugly!