He Is Back...Crazy Mike

So Mike, how goes the battle with MA? How many cases of yours have been pitched out? I think at least 4.

Wow Mike is on a roll.

Giving out more advice and details of the world according to Mike as if they were somehow reality.

And he has brought with him a new link to rpove all that he says is fact!
And then he once again sights the sinlge case he knows about from Va. as if that stands as proof positive all HOAS ARE EVIL.

Well yes Mike has been to court. Now hIs crusade has gone on for more than 10 years. And after making big plans to "crush" his own HOA Board, take their homes, take away their authority, and have the court strip all HOAs in the same manner. After all this mental fairy tale Mike lost his case. lOST AGAIN IN LONG LINE OF FAILURES. Mike never even got the chance to give his "speech" about his defending the Constitution, about how he was the same as those who served in periods of war just his war was with his HOA, YEAH that'S about the same right? serving in a battle z posting nonsense on the web. No doubt Mike has a Purple Heart or CMH IN HIS MIND!

So now Mike's NEW claim is everyone serving has a property credit card and charges gas and personal items. I do not. But everyone else has to cause Mike says so.

If the anti-HOA faction has the likes of Mike Reardon representing it well they are in deep doo-doo.

After all these years, after all these hours of posting, after all these hours appearing in court, after spending $250 on a mail order law degree (that seems to have been worth less than the $250 he paid), after heading down to Florida and buying into a second HOA, after making all these promises about how he plans to fight and win the war against the evil empire. What has Mike accomplished???? ZIPPO.

Has he cleaned out his own HOA? NO
Has he stripped anyone of any authority? NO
Has he proven a breach of contract claim? NO
Has he destroyed the HOA system? Yeah right!
Has he won the war? Only one who knows there is some war is MIKE!
Has he proven himself to be the war hero he lives to be? Just like most 7 year olds.

But here he comes with ALL the answers. All the facts. His case in Va. and his new link. Yes, sports fans follow Mike to the promised land and end up right where Mike finds himself.

LOSER. No matter how much Mike kicks and screams on his way out the door he has done NOTHING. He has won ZERO. His promises and threats have meant nothing more than the ramblings of a fool.

But I am sure like many war heros Mike is out and about today parading himself off as some sort of hero. Gee Mike what war was it you served in?
Vietnam???? Gulf War???? Iraq???? The Afgan War???? No Mike served in the HOA war of 2003-2013. Reality is this was never a war and Mike was the only one fighting.

Happy 4th to everyone. Remember those who actually made a sacrifice serving our country. And those who acted in the best interest of The United States.

Not the make believe patriots like Mike who hide behind the flag to justify their actions.

10+ years of failure does not a hero make.................

But keep mumbling and posting Mike that is all you have left!

Well YES Mike you filed an appeal. And what happened when you appealed the decision in your last complaint? Wasn't it denied????

The fat lady has been singing for 10+ years now Mike you just won't listen!

Why did your own lawyer remove himself from your case? Guess he knew a loser when he saw one.

All adds up to ZERO.

You are not a war hero Mike, you are not a patriot, you are not a lawyer, or legal expert, you are not a defender of the Constitution.
You have not won a thing. You have not proven anything. You have not destroyed the enemy. You have not won the battle or the war. You have done ZERO.

All the words, all the ramblings, all the time and effort have added up to one giant, enormous failure on your part.

You're a legend in your own mind Mike but only in your mind.

DOCKET ENTRIES
Entry Date Paper Entry Text
03/26/2012 #1 Entered.
03/26/2012 Notice of entry sent.
03/26/2012 #2 MOTION to waive additional filing fee, filed by Sandra Martk-Reardon, and Michael Reardon.
03/27/2012 RE#2: Allowed. The additional fee of the appellant is waived. *Notice.
04/06/2012 #3 Docketing Statement received from Sandra Martk-Reardon, Michael Reardon.^
04/09/2012 Copy of DAR application of Sandra Martk-Reardon, & Michael Reardon.
04/30/2012 #4 MOTION to extend brief & appendix due date, filed by Sandra Martk-Reardon and Michael Reardon.
04/30/2012 RE#4: Allowed to 06/04/12. Notice
05/08/2012 DAR DENIED (on 05/02/2012).
06/06/2012 #5 MOTION to file late brief & appendix, filed by Sandra Martk-Reardon, Michael Reardon.
06/06/2012 RE#5: Denied without prejudice until the appellant files the required seventh copy of the appendix volumes as only six were received by this clerk's office. The seventh set of appendices is due on or before 6/8/2012. Notice to counsel.
06/06/2012 RE#5: REVISED ACTION. Allowed this date for filing the brief of Sandra Martk-Reardon, Michael Reardon, Plaintiffs/Appellants. Notice to counsel.
06/06/2012 #6 SERVICE of 7 briefs, 7 appendices (4 vols.), and 7 transcripts (1 vol.) for Plaintiffs/Appellants Sandra Markt-Reardon & Michael Reardon.
07/06/2012 #7 SERVICE of brief for Defendant/Appellee Falmouth Airpark Homeowners Association, Inc.
07/18/2012 #8 SERVICE of reply brief for Plaintiffs/Appellants Sandra Markt-Reardon and Michael Reardon.
01/11/2013 Under consideration by Panel. (Cypher, J., Rubin, J., Wolohojian, J.).
02/27/2013 #9 Decision: Rule 1:28 Judgment affirmed. (Cypher, Rubin, Wolohojian, JJ.). *Notice.
03/12/2013 #10 PETITION for Rehearing, filed by Sandra Markt-Reardon, Michael Reardon.@
03/19/2013 Copy of FAR application of Sandra Markt-Reardon, Michael Reardon.^

DOCKET ENTRIES
Entry Date Paper Entry Text
09/25/2003 Docket opened.
09/25/2003 #1 FAR APPLICATION of Sandra Markt Reardon & another by Sandra Market Reardon and Michael Reardon, Pro Se.
10/03/2003 #2 MOTION to file opposition late (on or before 10/14/03), filed by Falmouth Airpark Homeowners Association. ALLOWED. Notice to counsel.
10/14/2003 #3 OPPOSITION to FAR application filed for Falmouth Airpark Homeowners by Michael W. Merrill, Esquire.
01/28/2004 #4 DENIAL of FAR application.

Now we go back to 2004.

Seems the HOA attorney opposed Mike's application and the court agreed.
Guess that's another win for Mike.

J. Gary Bennett, Esquire
Michael W. Merrill, Esquire

DOCKET ENTRIES
Entry Date Paper Entry Text
12/18/2001 #1 Entered.
01/03/2002 #2 Conference Project Participation Notice.
01/18/2002 #3 Conference Statement submitted by Appellant.
01/23/2002 #4 Case returned from Conference Project.
01/23/2002 #5 Brief & Appendix now due 03/04/2002. Notice.
02/27/2002 #6 SERVICE of brief & appendix for Plaintiffs/Appellants Sandra Markt Reardon and Michael Reardon (4 vol/2 sets appx).
03/29/2002 #7 SERVICE of brief for Defendants/Appellees.
04/11/2002 #8 Appellants' CERT. OF SERVICE: reply brief, filed by Sandra Markt Reardon & Michael Reardon.
03/18/2003 #9 Notice of 04/08/2003, 9:30 A.M. argument at Southern New England School of Law sent.
04/08/2003 Oral argument held. (B J C).
09/05/2003 #10 Decision: Rule 1:28 (B-J-C). Judgment affirmed. *Notice. (See image on file.)
09/18/2003 #11 MOTION to withdraw as counsel for Sandra Markt Reardon and Michael Reardon, filed by Michael Markoff.
09/18/2003 #12 Motion to extend time for filing/docketing of petition for rehearing, w/attach. filed by Sandra Markt Reardon and Michael Reardon.
09/25/2003 Copy of FAR application of Michael Reardon and Sandra Markt Reardon.
10/01/2003 #13 Consent to Plaintiff-Appellants' attorney's Motion to withdraw, filed by Falmouth Airpark Homeowners Association.
10/01/2003 #14 OPPOSITION to Plaintiff-Appellants' pro se petition for rehearing, filed by Falmouth Airpark Homeowners Association.
10/01/2003 #15 Notice of change of address of Attorney Michael Merrill.
10/01/2003 RE#11 Allowed. (Brown & Cypher, JJ.) *Notice.
10/01/2003 RE#12 Allowed. (Brown & Cypher, JJ.) *Notice.
10/01/2003 #16 PETITION for Rehearing, filed by Sandra Markt Reardon and Michael Reardon.
10/09/2003 Copy of P#10 sent to Attorney Michael Merrill (original copy received by Atty. was missing a page).
.
02/02/2004 FAR DENIED (on 01/28/04).
02/03/2004 RESCRIPT to Trial Court.

Now lets head back to 2003

09/18/2003 #11 MOTION to withdraw as counsel for Sandra Markt Reardon and Michael Reardon, filed by Michael Markoff.

It appears Mike's OWN lawyer withdrew from his case. Why? Did he not wish to go down with a sinking ship??? Can't be good news to most people.

But Mike soldiered on acting as his own pro se representative and filed again for a rehearing.

And the court denied that request. Case closed.

Guess that was another win

Yeah only Mike knows what really happened....................

So the REALITY is MIKE you have failed each and every time.

And sorry Mike it is over. You lost back in 2003-2004 and now even though you have filed an appeal my guess the HOA lawyer is waiting.

REALITY is MIKE you know nothing about the property where I live.
Now you can make up all the "facts" your little brain can muster to prove some point but just like what you claim here and all over the web none of it is based in reality.

Mike just what HOA refomr have you accomplished???? ZIPPO!!!!

10 YEARS and nothing.

Just wanted to share with the others here what really has gone on with your legal actions. And if or when you are informed your most recent appeal has been denied I'll be sure to post that too.

My guess won't be long........

Reality sort of blows your make believe world all to hell.....

But you still have the gaul to offer legal opinions to others as if you had a clue.

Melissa we would be remiss to paint ALL HOA's as sunshiny happy places just as Mike paints ALL HOA's as evil. There are problems out there mostly brought on by apathetic homeowners who don't want to know how the sausage is made. Now I personally welcome the debate but that isn't what Mike does, every post is HOA's are evil, destroy HOA's, ALL Board members are evil and steal etc., etc., etc.

Hi Mike.

The case discussed in your earlier thread, as Jon pointed out and court records show, is now being considered for appeal. As I said in your initial threads, I do wish you luck in the process.

I believe that the regular posters to this forum know what you will do if you win. My question is what are your plans if you lose?

Tim

Yes Frank I agree. My wife and I also read our CCRs very carefully before we bought our lot and built our home.

A new faction came to power in the HOA 6 years after we completed our home and has changed those documents 11 times, all without a single vote of homeowners (they can do this in MA as there is no law to prevent it)

They have reneged on their own ARC with us, pretend it doesn't exist and then invented the power to fine (laughably recording in their minutes a fraudulent manipulation of a ballot of homeowners to get this power)

Yes, I know I said earlier that they don't need a vote to do something like that...but they wanted to decieve homeowners into thinking that such a fundemental change to the documents and power structure and risk to homeowners came at their "request".

We went to the HOA president and said we will be put in position where our only recourse is to sue the HOA and board members.
I will never forget her response!

She literally laughed in our faces and said "sue us, we have insurance!"

So we did, rather than just get blatently cheated.

We are also suing for the court to declare that fines are unconstitutional/unlawful. It should be a bit easier given the pathetic way they aquired this power here.

Two states Supreme Courts have found that these private entities can not fine homeowners, so I am hopeful the MA follows their lead.

The fact is, what they did to us they also did to my 92 year old neighbor. And that really added fuel to the fire for me.
They went from being just unethical to downright sociopathic and I lost all respect for these carnival con men and feel strongly that I am obligated to take as much power from them as possible.

Jon,

Relax! Go grab a cold one!

I think you are doing the same thing you accuse Mike of. You are lumping anyone who may disagree with your positions into the same category. Re-read your words please. Stay above the fray by watching the tone, please.

FTR, I am Catholic educated from elementary through grad school, so I do see the awesome good the Catholic Church does. Nothing compares to Catholic Charities IMO. But, I don't ignore the fact that someone close to me was inappropriately treated by a priest. There is usually some truth to most stories, including Mike's most likely.

Also FTR, I have been in managerial positions where my responsibilities were much bigger than any HOA I am familiar with. Also owned a small start-up company. Maybe getting to know someone before making assumptions about them would be a good approach? Honestly, the skills required are similar to running a household. Been married 32 years and doing OK, so thanks!

I have served on many committees in my neighborhood. I do not know anyone in this community who volunteers more time/resources than I and my wife do, and most community members would say as much. I have not served on the Board as the Developers have made the statement that they would always use their votes to keep me off. No one has made more changes in how our HOA conducts its' business than I have. Not bragging, just stating fact. I have addressed many perceived conflicts of interest and just by bringing them to light, have made changes. And enemies. That's par for the course, as my corporate experience verifies. I run every election knowing I will be defeated, just to make a statement. Courage is contagious if one is willing to experience personal hardship and stay the course. I would have been elected ahead of one of the Developers in the last election if they had not used 1 vote per unsold lot to defeat me. The election results are "known" before it even occurs. I am not bitter at all. They do not see how this hurts them more than me.

The reason you see so many news stories is because Mike's assertions are at least partially correct. All organizations are going to have conflict because that is what humans do! I believe you would see more of it, but many people have learned that challenging their HOA Board might come back to haunt them.

Jon, I am sure you are an ethical individual who is taking Mike's words personally. It also looks as though you are a lawyer or have a legal back ground? I am not sure a 0-4 record for Mike means he was always wrong on the issues. Many cases get decided on technicalities. The law and ethics or what is right can be worlds apart on occasion.

We have an attorney, head legal counsel for a national organization, in our neighborhood. He is one of my biggest supporters, agrees with me 98% plus of the time. Yet, he will often say though certain positions have obvious merit, winning is a 50/50 proposition at best. You are a good guy Jon, but not all people are obviously. Mike is being flavored by his experiences, as you are, as I am. When I read what you both say I find myself agreeing and disagreeing at different times with each of your positions. Keep the name calling out of it and the rest of us will continue to learn from both of you.

Thanks.

Jon & others who contend HOAs do not protect property values...Here is a sample of one of the real-estate fliers used to market our community in the past:

“Come join us and build your dream home with the peace of mind that your investment is protected
by our home association rules and regulations.”

I laugh when I read this now!

I do believe that a little clarification is in order. This clarification is needed because Mike's post gives the impression that in those States where the State court ruled Associations may not "fine" that Associations may not impose monetary penalties for violations of the governing documents or adopted rules/regulations. If you have this impression, that impression is incorrect.

Since VA is one of those States, I will add clarification about the VA case.

The VA Supreme Court, in an opinion paper on Unit Owners Association of Buildamerica-1, A Condominium v. Harry F. Gillman simply said that:

"The imposition of a fine is a governmental power. The sovereign cannot be preempted of this power, and the power cannot be delegated or exercised other than in accordance with the provisions of the Constitutions of the United States and of Virginia. Neither can a fine be imposed disguised as an assessment."

This opinion DID NOT prevent instituting monetary penalties for infractions. The Association's simply couldn't use the word "fine" anymore and most adopted the word "charge" or "charges."

Additionally, the VA legislature amended it's laws to allow charges for infractions of the governing documents providing the CC&Rs grant such action. That same law does allow Association's to charge monetary penalties for infractions of the common areas. See VA § 55-513 for HOAs and VA § 55-79.80:2 for Condominiums.

Of course, all of this is mute if you don't own property within an HOA in VA.

For those who may be unaware, the Blue text indicates a link to those documents.

Tim

Frank I would suggest you take Tim's advice and do a search for the posts made by Mike. Then do a search for mike reardon in regards to HOAs I will let Mike words speak for him. If you read what he has posted and still believe he provides some degree of "political activism" that somehow benefits his community then we simply disagree.

Evidently you missed my point about the church. Did you, as Mike would, go on to attack every faction of the church in response to the behavior a one group of mental defectives? Did you, as Mike has, now claim every priest and member of the church was a child molester? Would you call for the destruction of the CC?
How about taking people's homes?
How about beating them with a bat?
How about comparing them to Nazis?

Did you do any of that Frank? Well Mike did.

So before you compare my words and actions with that of Mike be careful and take the time to understand the entire picture since Mike arrived here.

And as far as tone, some people need to be told straight out, and I am more than willing to do that. Whether Mike or anyone else likes that or not really does not concern me.

You see I don't like frauds, liars, or people who twist the truth to serve their agenda. Mike makes claims about what he has done in his community and in his legal actions and the truth in 10 years NOTHING!

The he makes claims about laws in other states and we have Tim come here and offer to clarify what actually happened not Mike's version.

Now as to your next point. Or suggestion I get to know folks. I could pull mine out and we can see whose is in fact bigger. But what does that prove?
I too owned my own business. I too held positions that required alot. And I have served on a Board for 26 years. So let me offer my opinion IF you have NEVER held a Board position it is foolishness to suggest or believe one can step in and handle the job because at one point you worked as a business manager. Over the years I have had, lawyers, teachers, insurance executives, business owners, managers at major corporations, people with BAs, people with Masters degrees, not one walked in sat down and was able to hit the ground running as if they were there all along. Like any other job there is in fact a learning curve. After 26 years I still learn almost every day. Simply not possible to understand or judge what is required without actually holding that job. Now if you intend to merely occupy a seat YES then working for Mickey Ds qualifies you. But if you actually plan to do the job in some sort of manner worthy of your reputation than IMO it takes sitting in the seat before you can judge what that position requires. Your statement about comapring it to "running a household" to be honest Frank I don't even know how to respond other than you have no idea. And to be honest its insulting.

Frank, Mike's assertions are that EVERY HOA is bad. His assertions are that EVERY HOA Board member has a credit card from the property and steals money. His assertions are the government and courts will change things in his favor. His assertions are that a majority of the HOA property owners feel negative against their HOAs. Where is the truth in any of that?

Frank, seems to me you are hell bent on giving Mike the benefit of the doubt.
As if he has something, anything positive to offer. I could not disagree more.
Again, I would suggest you take the time to read his posts over time. Tim was nice enough to explain how this might be done. Now as I have said I have been through 4 lawsuits. I know the cost and damage done to the property by people just like Mike. The windbags who are still working on their GEDs, who paid for an on-line legal course, who show total disregard for the cost this brings to their own communities, who sight the Constitution as their support, who have been unable to secure support in their own communities, whose lawyers have dropped their cause, who have claimed to be the victim of the big bad HOA. I've seen this all. Mike is the same as these folks here just with a different name.And oh by the way the property won all 4. Despite the fact we violated Constitutional Rights up the ying yang, abused the elderly on a regular basis,
breached contracts, fined the hell out of whoever we felt like, stole more money than we needed, and abused little puppy dogs.

Perhaps, until you have sat on a Board and heard and lived through the negative affects lawsuits like Mike has brought against his property you can't understand the damage he has caused. I have sen it first hand.

So if you wish to sell Mike and his behavior as GOOD well I'm not buying that story. Try selling that to someone else.

IMO Mike is a clown. He has proven that to me. How you see him or deal with him does not matter to me.

Go read Mike's posts. If you still see Mike in a positive light that's your opinion.

Mike,

Yep, your screwed. You live in a lousy HOA and there's nothing you can do to change it. We get it. That does not mean that every HOA is like yours and, thank goodness, not all HOA members are like you. I, for one, will not be visiting this thread again and I advise others here - DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

If we "lose" the appeal we have to build some giant garage attached to our just fine 24'24' garage.

This is no big deal, and that has never been the issue with me.

The issue is that the current faction of HOA board members is trying to pretend that our ARC approval (Contract) given to us by a different faction in control of the HOA board doesn't exist.

It is almost comical.

My wife has advised me to just do what the board wants....no courts no drama ect. just build the stupid thing.

But I firmly believe that I must "get involved" and slap this repugnant thing down that is ruining our otherwise great community by cheating its members and blowing off contracts they should be held to(we are not the only ones cheated).

The HOA board should concern itself with cutting the grass, collecting assesments paying the bills.
It is obvious to me that any power beyond this serves no purpose other than putting money into the "service providers" pockets

That this dispute has been allowed to go this far just boggles the mind. And our HOA lawyer, who I PAY FOR with MY assessments is such an unethical slimeball.....but I must say I almost admire the sleazy way he argues the Association case.

Which always completely neglects to mention the ARC approval we paid for and relied upon when we built our home in the first place.

I admit I have a great intellectual curiosity as to how the courts will rule on this!

Do HOAs get to blow off contracts when the bloom is off the rose?

I will soon find out!

Mike,

I do understand fighting for principal.
Thank you for sharing.

Again, I wish you luck.

Tim

Sounds like Mike has his next crusade all lined up.

Another 10 years down the drain....

Trying to strip the ability to fine. Guess Mike never bothered to read Tim's explanation of what actually took place in Va. versus the false claims Mike has been pushing.

So make sure you cite that Va. law in your filing Mike should go just about the same as your last complaints.

Welcome back crazy mike.

People like mike serve a purpose. Whenever I go to a town meeting, or hoa meeting, there is always someone like crazy mike who are willing to voice concerns that no one else will talk about. If he thinks the president is stealing money, he will just say it during the meeting. No filter. I agree with this method of civil disobedience. It causes people to change their behavior and causes other people to take notice.

Is it annoying? Sure.
Does it work? Sure.

You wouldn't make fun of someone with no legs trying to climb stairs. You shouldn't make fun of him either. Mike's disability is hidden. A form of mental illness. As you get older, it may hit you too.

Jon,

No need to compare resumes. I always assume I'm the lesser. But, it does not take a lot of unique skills to perform in an HOA Board capacity, at least IMO. I see everyday average folk do it quite well!

Tim did provide a good suggestion and I appreciate that. I just like to give folks the benefit of the doubt by watching how they conduct themselves in discussions I was involved with. No matter what names he is called, I still agree and disagree with some of his points just as with you and all others. If that makes me a terrible person to you, so be it.

I was at our farm the last 3 days. Took a friend, an attorney, and his 10 year old boy up to enjoy a little nature. We had a great chat last evening about HOAs and this site. (He does some legal work for his HOA.) I think I'll create an HOA for our farm and file the paperwork with the state so Robin and I can set all the rules that we will agree with. I'll also rotate the Board president position with her so I can have better credibility with some of you

Just kidding. Honestly, HOAs are like any other governing entity IMO. They typically do provide valuable services but we should always keep a watchful eye. I hope that is fair and balanced!

Thanks.

Like any job Frank you could seat a chimp and then claim they were doing the job. Is that in fact the case? When I discuss serving on an HOA Board for reference I mean someone doing the job in a competent manner. I have folks that serve on our Board that simply occupy a seat one time per month. I never said there were unique skills required. What I said was there is a learning curve that no other history prepares you for. Including running a household as you suggested.

As President I deal with issues involving insurance, legal, audits, contracts, maintenance,
fire inspections, CCRs, By-Laws, Rules and Regulations, landscaping, CDs, bank accounts, reserve accounts, violations, pool, property sales, monthly meetings insurance claims, elections, criminal court appearances, snowplowing, garbage removal, water and sewer etc. I have developed working relationships with out attorney, the local courts, local politicians, service providers, police, residents, real estate agents,neighbors,contractors, insurance agent, utility people, Village water and sewer staff, town staff, county office staff, health department staff, and I won't bother to list the 15 of so service providers I have come to know and deal with on a first name basis regularly.

We have over 100 units located on 16 acres with a total property value of $16-$19 million.
I have lived here almost 30 years and served on this Board for 26 of those years.

So IMO your assertion that someone running a household, or average folk might just step in and carry on seems to be rooted in the fact you yourself never actually sat in that role.
I would hope if you ever did you would require more of yourself than taking up a seat.

And what you might consider a good job some might simply see that as doing what is required and no more.

I suggest you pick up a copy of Dr. Phil's new book life codes. Reading it now. Seems in the Dr.'s opinion "giving people the benefit of the doubt" is an old an outdated way of handling things. I'm working on changing that in my life.

As to my interaction with Mike again unless you have read the complete history of what Mike has posted impossible for you to judge or render an opinion on how or why this tone now exists between the two of us. And if you have never sat on a Board defending a nonsense lawsuit and fully under the consequences to the property, cost, and damages it does my guess Mike antics don't mean all that much to you. You can agree with whomever you wish. Doesn't directly affect me nor does it concern me in any way.

IMO Mike is a fool you might conclude he is the smartest guy you have ever known when it comes to HOAs. Myself Mike has nothing to offer me. Mike IS the problem not any part of the solution. IMO.

Jon,

I am sure you are as unimpressed with me as I am you. You never seem to pass on a chance to point out the obvious about someone, yet construct long winded messages (Pot calling the kettle black with this post, eh?) to convince us (yourself?) how you are the better person.

Everything you have pointed out that you have participated in as a Board member, I have done the same in one capacity or another. I bet the majority of people on this site probably have as well. If that list was intended to impress me, it didn't.

With regards to Phil's book, I think there are better passages in the Bible as to how we should treat each other. I failed miserably with this post. Phil would tell you that is all too human of a characteristic of mine I don't need a self-help guru to point out the obvious.

Please remember, this is KS where maybe there are fewer codes, regulations etc. and being a Board member here doesn't mean you have to be politically connected to the Governor! When others post it is variables like that which I consider as I reflect on the merits of their words/experiences to the situations before our HOA.

Be the bigger man with Mike. If you disagree with his words, talk about that and not him as an individual. I bet Dr. Phil would agree with me on that

Thanks.

My what laughable nonsense.

HOAs are like any other governance?

Really?

With no election laws, open meeting laws, chain of custody of ballots, Pravda like control over their "newsletters"

Conspiracy (see Nevada) Corruption and theft routinely in the news.....

Did you guys grow up in the Soviet Union? Do you even know what REAL democracy is? (see Federalist 10)

HOA governance today, is almost identical to every tin pot, third world banana republic.

Worse it is a scam that benefits the "service providers" to these things, funneling our savings and equity directly into

their pockets.

True Tim,

But almost every state, regardless of their law, has little to no enforcement mechanism accompanying the law.

Call the AG or District Attorney, complain about a blatant violation of the law, and he will tell you to pony up 10's of thousands to a lawyer for a "civil" suit to do anything about it.

Sometimes it is worth it, and the HOA loses and goes bankrupt…(see Farrans case in Virginia)

Really? Is that an acceptable state of affairs?

Why not just call law enforcement and have them handle the problem?

Why?

Because the HOA lawyer will get cut out of the deal!

And he could care less if the HOA goes bankrupt…that is another several years of lucrative litigation!