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FionaC1 (Washington)
Posts: 93
Posted:
Our HOA is responsible for termite management.

Our CCR's reflect this. Months ago ( 6 months ago ) I reported termite infestation. Nothing has been done. Some spot treatments in certain areas and nothing regarding the outside area that I reported.

Fast forward 4 months.. I am on the board, termites is not even an agenda item. I brought this up an the BOD is reluctant to do anything at this point due to costs. I had one board member try to tell me that only "one side" of our building is affected.. our building runs north and south "its the south end only"... sure sure sure. ( try to battle with that one)

Issue at hand? We are responsible for the maintenance. 6 months ago I reported this, nothing really has been done. Bring it up again.. at next meeting month #7 and ask for termite inspection?? and ask for it to go into minutes..

How can one make the 50+ unit building aware of termites and it's issues? It was tented 10 years ago.. and we are infested.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
As a homeowner you have the right to contact all of your fellow homeowners and let them know what is going on, just make it clear that you are acting as a fellow homeowner not a Board member. You could or better yet your spouse or SO if you have, write a letter to your fellow homeowners outlining the problem. If the postage is too much a simple knock on the door and hand delivery as you walk the community works too.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Glen's approach might be effective with homeowners, who'll probably put pressure on the Board. But acting on your own in this way might damage your relationships with other boar members.

So I wouldn't take that step until your know the answers to the following:

Has your HOA been setting funds aside in reserves to pay for this work? How much money is in the termite reserves line item?

Or, are there funds in your operating budget for 2013 for a termite inspection or termite work? How much?

Have you written an actual agenda item request so that the the board has discussed the topic at an open meeting? Did you make a motion and was there a vote? It sounds like you haven't done that yet, so once you learn the answers to the above, and maybe more that other posters can suggest, place it on the agenda and request a report. Your motion and its outcome should, of course, be recorded in the minutes.

The way you try to "fight" one director's opinion is to very nicely ask if he's in the pest control field and if not, suggest that for the board to do its due diligence, a licensed, etc., blah, blah, should inspect the premises and prepare a report for the board.
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Fiona,

I disagree with the idea that board members should all march to the same beat. Your obligation is to the owners who elected you and not to the other board members.

Call one of the termite control companies and see if they will do a free inspection and give you a quote. It's a fairly competitive business so they may be willing to do a freebie in the hopes of getting business. If their report shows active termite infestation, I would not hesitate for a moment to let all the homeowners know.

No one on the board wants to take on this issue because then they have to tell the members the bad news: it's gonna cost. Each day they stall increases the costs of fixing the problem later, so there is nothing to be gained by delay.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I cannot agree with Matthew. I believe that going through the Board, and doing it correctly (formal agenda item, vote) is your best approach, Fiona. There is no point is needlessly irritating your fellow directors. Acting on your own may make it so you cannot get anything else accomplished on your Board. And THAT might not be in the best interests of your HOA.

Our Code of Ethics doesn't permit us directors to independently seek opinions, freebies or anything else from vendors. Try to work with your Board first. This matter, while important, is not an emergency, and the cost won't increase much each day.

MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Carol,

Fiona has already tried to get the board to cooperate and they have refused.

No surprise. Couch potatoes love condos because they don't have to lift a finger to maintain their homes. A board full of couch potatoes that cannot be bothered enough to take care of their own property is not going out of its way to maintain everyone else's. (This is precisely why I advise against the purchase of a condo.)

Even though the board members each have a fiduciary duty to the members, Fiona seems to be the only taking this obligation seriously. The rest of the couch potatoes will wait until the building crumbles around them before they take action without some external pressure. That is why I suggested starting a war with them. Let them act or let them resign but do not let them sit on their butts when they need to act.

The law imposes a duty on a board member. That duty supercedes anything in your Code of Ethics.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Matthew, It is not clear to me that Fiona has actually placed the matter in writing on a Board meeting agenda. That's what I'm trying to understand.

The ball is in Fiona's court--a simple reply to the question would be a goo thing.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
It would even be a "good" thing ; )
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Carol,

My reading of Fiona’s original post is that she has already attempted to place this matter on the agenda:

“I am on the board, termites is not even an agenda item. I brought this up and the BOD is reluctant to do anything at this point due to costs. I had one board member try to tell me that only "one side" of our building is affected. Our building runs north and south "its the south end only"...

“Issue at hand? We are responsible for the maintenance. 6 months ago I reported this, nothing really has been done. Bring it up again at next meeting month #7 and ask for termite inspection?? and ask for it to go into minutes.”

To me, the board is aware of a termite problem and has chosen to ignore it. Most likely the board has not budgeted for periodic termite inspections let alone remedial treatments. And they have ignored this problem in spite of the fact that there is a history of termite infestations at this property.

I would compare the board’s willful negligence to that of a parent who refuses to seek medical care for a child because the kid has cancer on just one side.

Termites are not in the same category as cockroaches. If not treated, termites will destroy a building from the inside out by eating the wooden structural elements. Even masonry buildings often have wooden floors and wooden roof trusses. When an owner becomes aware of a termite infestation he must act to prevent the total loss of the structure and total loss of his investment.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Matthew, Yes, Fiona wrote: “I am on the board, termites is not even an agenda item. I brought this up and the BOD is reluctant to do anything at this point due to costs."

The above does not tell us whether she actually placed the item on the agenda. She also "reports." Was her report written and an agenda item. Since Fiona isn't answering my question, I assume she's away for the holidays.
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CarolR11 on 07/04/2013 7:27 AM
Matthew, Yes, Fiona wrote: “I am on the board, termites is not even an agenda item. I brought this up and the BOD is reluctant to do anything at this point due to costs."

The above does not tell us whether she actually placed the item on the agenda. She also "reports." Was her report written and an agenda item. Since Fiona isn't answering my question, I assume she's away for the holidays.

I do not know whether the laws in Washington require a meeting agenda. We do not all live in the Peoples' Republik of California.

Fiona states that she has brought the subject up in previous meetings and that the "BOD" has decided to take no action. That implies that the board is aware of the problem and has made a conscious decision to ignore it. I fail to see how the situation would be any different if the matter was on an agenda witnessed by the Pope and notarized by the Governor. I doubt that the termites will stop eating the building because the item was not on a formal agenda.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Matthew, this has nothing to do with any laws, but just common sense.

Fiona asks us, [Should I] "Bring it up again.. at next meeting month #7 and ask for termite inspection?? and ask for it to go into minutes." My reply to her is "yes." If Fiona placed or places the termite topic, in writing, on an open meeting agenda:

1. The Board will have to discuss the termite agenda item in front of homeowners.

2. Fiona can make a motion that will lead to a decision by the Board.

3. Owners at the open meeting will see & hear the decision.

4. The motion and decision will be recorded in the meeting minutes for all owners to read if they wish.

If Fiona doesn't agree with the outcome of the Board vote, or if the minutes show that the Board took "no action," THEN she might decide to appeal to owners themselves. She'll have evidence via the minutes that her Board doesn't want to deal with the matter. It'll strengthen her case.

I'm puzzled, Matthew, about your resistance to this approach. And even more puzzled about why you brought CA into the topic.
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
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Posted By CarolR11 on 07/04/2013 9:59 AM
Matthew, this has nothing to do with any laws, but just common sense.

Fiona asks us, [Should I] "Bring it up again.. at next meeting month #7 and ask for termite inspection?? and ask for it to go into minutes." My reply to her is "yes." If Fiona placed or places the termite topic, in writing, on an open meeting agenda:

1. The Board will have to discuss the termite agenda item in front of homeowners.

2. Fiona can make a motion that will lead to a decision by the Board.

3. Owners at the open meeting will see & hear the decision.

4. The motion and decision will be recorded in the meeting minutes for all owners to read if they wish.

If Fiona doesn't agree with the outcome of the Board vote, or if the minutes show that the Board took "no action," THEN she might decide to appeal to owners themselves. She'll have evidence via the minutes that her Board doesn't want to deal with the matter. It'll strengthen her case.

I'm puzzled, Matthew, about your resistance to this approach. And even more puzzled about why you brought CA into the topic.

Carol,

You have assumed certain facts not in evidence. Among them is that Fiona’s board is required to have open meetings and an agenda, and that owners actually attend the meetings and/or read the meeting minutes.

More importantly, you have missed the most important fact of all: Fiona’s declaration requires that the association treat for termites. The issue of whether to treat or not is not open for debate. Everyone agreed when they signed on that the association would be responsible. Termite treatment is a ministerial duty for the board; it lacks the discretion to do otherwise.

Even though this building has a past history of termite infestation, the current board seems to be doing no testing for termites and has no plan to remedy the current problem, citing a lack of funds.

The board has the duty to treat the termites and has the duty to raise funds sufficient to do its work. Can you cite any court cases where a condo board was relieved of its contractual duties because it failed to take in enough money to do the work? I know of none.

The reference to California is that so many people, and not just Californians, cite Davis-Sterling that they seem to believe that this is the law of the land. Not only is it not applicable outside of California, it is not even good law inside California. People in California associations are no better off under this body of law than those of, say, Utah where there is little in the way of HOA regulation. You yourself assumed that Washington requires open meetings and rigid adherence to a prepared agenda because that’s the way they do it in the Land of Fruits and Nuts.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Matthew, I believe that Fiona has mentioned open meetings in the past as have one or two other posters from WA.

She wants, at minimum, termite inspection on the agenda--in writing--to at least show that she as a director is following the CC&Rs. She wants her motion in the meeting minutes for the same reason. She also can use those minutes to persuade other owners that the Board refuses to act.

Of course the Board has a duty to handle the termites issue! I never suggested otherwise.

Rant all you like about CA; it has nothing to do with this thread. Find some shade, Matthew, and see if you can cool down a bit.

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