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LanceL1 (Oregon)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I have recently taken over as the Treasurer of our small (12 units) HOA and am attempting to bring the financials into Quick Books.
I have been able to successfully bring over all of the bank accounts, customers (HOA members), vendors, etc. however after doing a full analysis (via excel) of our reserve study and where we should be at I am coming up with a 25K shortfall of where our reserve study says we should be on the assumption that all of our cash assets at year end technically belong to the reserve account.
I want to be able to provide financials that show that we are actually in debt to our reserve account yet still keep our cash accounts consolidated.
I am aware that reserve funds should be kept in a separate account and am willing to "pay" to the reserve account all of the remaining funds at the end of the month to the reserve account, just not sure how I can show the part where we are in debt to our reserve and that the reserve is short.
I have a bookkeeping background but have never worked with HOA accounting and therefore not sure how to record this ugliness so as to provide a clear picture to the home owners that although we have money in the bank none of it is really available for non-replacement projects and that we really need to be frugal right now.
Any direction would be much appreciated.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Lance,

The monthly income statement for our HOA shows a transfer to the replacement reserves each month. This appears as an operating expense on the income statement for the operating account and a liability on the balance sheet.

Each year when we present out budget we include a pie chart showing where each member's monthly assessment goes. Included is the amount that goes toward reserves.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By DavidW5 on 06/26/2013 12:39 PM
This appears as an operating expense on the income statement for the operating account and a liability on the balance sheet.

Just as long as you don't include that amount as an expense when completing your Form 1120-H for the IRS each year. The IRS does not consider money placed in a reserve account as an expense. It becomes an expense only when you take it out of the reserve account and spend it.
LanceL1 (Oregon)
Posts: 4
Posted:
So all of that makes sense however I'm still not sure how to show that our reserves are actually short of where they should be?
Would that be more appropriately recorded as a budget item and then show the variance between where the reserve account is and where the reserve budget shows it should be?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Lance

I do not see it as an accounting issue.

If you have done a reserve study and the study says you should be contributing say $50K per year. If you are contributing less, then the account is short. The issue is what do we do about the "shortage", versus how do we account for it.

Now the questions are has there been a Reserve Study and have you all agreed to fund it?

Hope this helps.

LanceL1 (Oregon)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Reserve study was done in 2004 and at that time the Treasurer should have started taking some of the dues and applying them to the reserve account.
Instead what they did was keep all of the funds in a single account and didn't keep track of how much was reserve vs. operating funds.
Now that I have taken over I'm trying to show that the reserve is under funded in a way that it shows as such on the financials so that the HOA members understand that there is no money available and that we are actually in debt to our reserve account.
I can certainly move forward with the correct accounting going forward. Just wanted to know the best way to show the reserve deficit.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By LanceL1 on 06/26/2013 2:27 PM
Reserve study was done in 2004 and at that time the Treasurer should have started taking some of the dues and applying them to the reserve account.
Instead what they did was keep all of the funds in a single account and didn't keep track of how much was reserve vs. operating funds.
Now that I have taken over I'm trying to show that the reserve is under funded in a way that it shows as such on the financials so that the HOA members understand that there is no money available and that we are actually in debt to our reserve account.
I can certainly move forward with the correct accounting going forward. Just wanted to know the best way to show the reserve deficit.

Lance

You understand the problem. Explain it and show it in numbers (simple ones) to the BOD.

If they take a head in the sand approach, then get one of them to agree with you. Make a motion and get a 2nd (you and who agrees with you). That way it will require a vote and make it to the Minutes even of it fails. Some will start asking questions and you can talk it up.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Lance, first an up to date long range (20+ year) Reserve plan is needed. Our management company updates all of the HOAs long range reserve plan every three years at no cost to them.

Next I suggest having two separate accounts with two yearly budgets which are carefully established and approved at each annual meeting. One for yearly operating income and expenses and one for Reserve income and expenses. You may need to significantly increase the assessment over a few years to achieve balanced budgets.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Roger

I think what Lance was saying is the association is putting everything in one big pot then assigning what is "left over" to a Reserve Fund and the Reserve Fund is falling short of what they had agreed to fund based on an earlier Reserve Fund Study. (I love run on sentences).

Like income is $100K. $80K to Operating Expenses. $20K to Reserve Fund.

Well this year we had $100K income and we needed $90K for Operating Expenses. We put $10K in the Reserve Fund, thus which is it:

1. The budget is balanced and shows $10K to the good.

2. We are $10K short in the budget because we robbed Peter (Reserve Fund) to pay Paul (Operating Expenses).

I say #1 is short term thinking and #2 is forward thinking.

Kind of like pay me now or pay me later.....LOL

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
John I agree. If the reserve fund needed an addition of $20K and only $10K was added then I would recommend increasing the assessment next year to a level which would correct the budgeting problem. Otherwise the HOA is headed towards a special assessment. I think most special assessments are the result of poor financial planning. For the HOAs we manage it has always been "pay as you go" and none has ever required a special assessment.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By RogerB on 06/26/2013 7:53 PM
John I agree. If the reserve fund needed an addition of $20K and only $10K was added then I would recommend increasing the assessment next year to a level which would correct the budgeting problem. Otherwise the HOA is headed towards a special assessment. I think most special assessments are the result of poor financial planning. For the HOAs we manage it has always been "pay as you go" and none has ever required a special assessment.

I agree. By the sound of it they need an assessment increase to properly fund everything.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Instead what they did was keep all of the funds in a single account and didn't keep track of how much was reserve vs. operating funds.


The obvious answer is to set up another bank account, a savings account and call it the reserve fund. Much easier to track and show its underfunded.
SharonH9 (Virginia)
Posts: 216
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Posted By BruceF1 on 06/26/2013 1:00 PM
Posted By DavidW5 on 06/26/2013 12:39 PM
This appears as an operating expense on the income statement for the operating account and a liability on the balance sheet.

Just as long as you don't include that amount as an expense when completing your Form 1120-H for the IRS each year. The IRS does not consider money placed in a reserve account as an expense. It becomes an expense only when you take it out of the reserve account and spend it.

Do you count it as income for the year that it was collected?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Lance,

We have two accounts.
Checking - our operating account
Savings - our Reserve Funds (which can diverse into CDs, etc.)

All expenses are paid from checking.
Reserve funds needed to pay for reserve items are transferred to checking and a check is issued.

We treat the annual amount needed to transfer into reserves as an expense in the budget. Funds are transferred on a monthly basis into the Reserves/Savings account.

If your Reserve Study was over 5 years ago, a new one should be done.
The study should also be reviewed by the Board annually and amended as needed.

LanceL1 (Oregon)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Many Thanks for all the great advice.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By TimB4 on 06/27/2013 6:46 AM
We treat the annual amount needed to transfer into reserves as an expense in the budget.

Tim,

I think we've had this discussion before.

As long as you are not including that amount on lines C and D of Form 1120-H. Otherwise, you are reporting incorrectly the amounts the IRS uses to determine if your association qualifies to file Form 1120-H. In some instances it could appear you qualify to use Form 1120-H when in reality you do not.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Lance,
There's been some good advice. I think to prove your point a simple table should work (or a line chart may be better).

I assume your reserve fund study concluded with some amount of $$ needing to be deposited into the reserve fund every year.

Supposing it concluded that you needed to put $1000 per year into the fund, starting with 0 in 2004 (you really need to update the study, too) you would show:
2004: 0
2005: 1000
2006: 2000
.
.
.
2013: 9000

Then show where you're actually at. Should be an open & shut case.

But most importantly, as others have said, MAKE THE ACCOUNTS SEPARATE!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By BruceF1 on 06/27/2013 2:18 PM

I think we've had this discussion before.

Bruce,

We have. We are accounting for it correctly as we track Reserve funds and operating funds separately.

AdelleB (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I would first find out if they have stolen money. Mine has had a lot of it disappear. In Fl.we need a law that the state attorney's office can come in and see all the books back from the beginning. My board had 2 sets of books as when I was sec. they would say one thing at the meetings and then give me different numbers to record. That is the first thing I would do.
Also mine illegally broke our never to touch reserve fund for roads only, into 3 funds and much disappeared. When I moved her April of 03 we had $117,000 in reserve, not we have less than $98,00. According to what the by laws say, we should have over $500,000 by now. No major road work has ever been done. These people have been lining their pockets.
AdelleB (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I would first find out if they have stolen money. Mine has had a lot of it disappear. In Fl.we need a law that the state attorney's office can come in and see all the books back from the beginning. My board had 2 sets of books as when I was sec. they would say one thing at the meetings and then give me different numbers to record. That is the first thing I would do.
Also mine illegally broke our never to touch reserve fund for roads only, into 3 funds and much disappeared. When I moved her April of 03 we had $117,000 in reserve, not we have less than $98,00. According to what the by laws say, we should have over $500,000 by now. No major road work has ever been done. These people have been lining their pockets.

Sorry, it is $118,000 in 03 and now there is less than $98,000
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Adelle

Are you accusing someone of stealing the money?
AdelleB (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Yes John C46, what else would you come to the conclusion on when I was told to write certain numbers down and they were not the numbers that were given out? Plus one of the board members were sent out of the country for embezzling the company he worked for. We do not have the laws where a full scale investigation can take place except if WE pay for it and they ALL know who is having it done. That is in violation of rights I would say. Someday the right bill will be passed but not until the legislators are no longer scared of a certain firm in the south part of Florida. In the meantime these people have made a lot of money being on the board and already 2 more sold and moved as they were sure there would be an HOA bill. They sold cheap and quick. Another one lost his home after living here 2 years free and buying 2 new cars. plus taking people to court illegally. And he is the one that changed the reserves and now there is less money than when I came here 10 yrs. ago.
NameW (Virginia)
Posts: 74
Posted:
Lance- If I am understanding your original post, what you are most seeking is how to show the issue to the HOA Members.

A lot of the answer to this depends on how your group prepares their minutes of Board meetings. My VA based HOA records the meetings then the Secretary prepares a transcript which is voted into approval at the next meeting and that will be our Minutes record of the meeting. As the Treasurer I provide a monthly financial report. From time to time I provide status updates on the Reserve Fund. What I say shows up in the Minutes under the Finances category. So simple. If your HOA uses a similar minutes format, why not just do that? Alternatively, prepare a clear concise written report in the format, what was intended, where we are, what is correct and does not need fixing, what needs fixing, Treasurer's recommendations. Read it at the HOA Board Meeting and request a copy of the written statement be attached to the Minutes. If anyone ever wants to look it up, there is is in the Minutes.

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