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CrystalK1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Our HOA's annual meeting and election of trustees is in two days. Tellers will be counting the ballots at the beginning of the meeting.

Last week a member wrote that the ballots should be destroyed right after the election, and I see in Robert's Rules of Order that the membership could vote to destroy the ballots.

Do we need to wait at least a few days to see if any member wants to inspect the ballots or if a recount is requested, or could we vote to destroy the ballots that night?

Thanks very much,

HOA Secretary
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
We keep ballots forever.
After 2 years we will digitize them, along with the tally sheet, meeting notice, minutes and proxy forms so they are always available.

Yes, this isn't really necessary for elections. However, if you had to prove that an amendment was properly adopted you may need all of this documentation. You never know how far back one might go.

Matthew can correct me if I'm in error, but for one Association/town in AZ (I forget which one) they went back many, many years for a judge to make a decision (this specific issue was discussed on this site before).

MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 06/26/2013 7:05 AM

Matthew can correct me if I'm in error, but for one Association/town in AZ (I forget which one) they went back many, many years for a judge to make a decision (this specific issue was discussed on this site before).

Tim,

This may be reference to Youngtown, Arizona. The entire city (not very big) was turned into a 55+ community back in the 1950's or 60's. The city routinely forced anyone under 18 to move out and that went on for decades. About 10 or 15 years ago they tried to evict the under-18 grandchild of a resident who fought back. In the course of litigation they discovered that not everyone had agreed to the restrictions years earlier, making them invalid. The town subsequently gave up its age enforcements.

I do not believe that this went beyond the trial court so there is no published opinion from an appellate court. All that I know about it is what I think I remember from the newspapers at the time. My understanding was that to enact the original restrictions they needed 100% of the property owners at that time to approve its adoption but not all owners approved. This case required going back years to find the approvals, but I suspect that they had been recorded with the county as they were property restrictions and not just ballots.

MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 06/26/2013 7:05 AM
We keep ballots forever.
After 2 years we will digitize them, along with the tally sheet, meeting notice, minutes and proxy forms so they are always available.


Tim,

I like your association's approach to keeping records of votes. You never know when someone is going to claim that not only was he disenfranchised in a prior election but also that you covered it up by destroying the evidence.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Your state's laws about your type of association (a corporation?) might spell out how long to keep ballots. I can't imagine, by the way, if any of your documents or state law says that they must be destroyed!

In CA HOAs, we are required by law to keep the secret ballots themselves for one year. The vote tabulation results not only must be recorded in the minutes, but must be publicized to homeowners. We post the results of tabulations on our mail room bulletin boards for a couple of weeks
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Posted By MatthewW4 on 06/26/2013 7:50 AM
Posted By TimB4 on 06/26/2013 7:05 AM

Matthew can correct me if I'm in error, but for one Association/town in AZ (I forget which one) they went back many, many years for a judge to make a decision (this specific issue was discussed on this site before).


Tim,

This may be reference to Youngtown, Arizona.

Yep, that was the one.

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