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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Basically I just want to vent.

At our Board meeting a couple of days ago, two former Presidents attended. We are taking a voting on an issue entirely by absentee ballot. There will be no member meeting.

We determined when we will count the votes so that we can let the membership know and anyone who wants to may come and watch us count the vote.

There was mention of using the percentage assigned to each unit to determine the vote. A former President spoke up and said he and the other President looked and there was no place indicating that we needed to us percentages to tally votes. In my opinion this former President thinks he knows so much more than he actually knows. Too long a story to go into the problems he caused when he was President.

I did have our documents with me at the meeting, but I didn't want to get in a contest with the former President about who was correct nor did I want to take our meeting time for this.

My question would be "How do you handle former Presidents" We have had five Presidents in the last five years. This was related the the illegal vote this President had when he was residing as President.

So after the meeting I checked NE Condominium laws and our documents. And the following is what I added as an addendum to the minutes.

After the meeting we reviewed state laws and our documents.

State law does indicate a need to assign a percentage to each unit.

Our Master Deed states in Article 7B states “Each Apartment shall be entitled to a vote equal to the Apartment’s percentage of interest in the Common Areas and Facilities as set forth in Exhibit B.”
Article 7C states “The owner of each Apartment, or some Person, who need not be an Owner, designated to act as proxy on behalf of the Owner, shall be entitled to cast the vote appurtenant to such Apartment at all meetings of the Association.”

It was determined the vote on the website does not need to be counted using the percentages because the vote was not taken at a meeting of the members, but any vote taken at a meeting of the members must use the unit percentage assigned to it when tallying votes.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Personally, I'd handle past presidents the way I'd handle any other homeowner. We have two former presidents at the moment. One has had health issues, but did attend a meeting a few months ago, keeping quiet and listening to what was going on.

The other has been pissed off at some of the things we've done and at least every other year has written four and five page letters about what he doesn't like. One or two things are valid (we're usually working on them at the time the letter comes in), but mostly he's still steamed that no one begged him to return after he resigned via email with no attempt to help the vice president transition into the spot.

In sum, these folks can be used as a resource, but they have to remember how the current board runs things isn't necessary the way he or she would run them.

In this case, send out the absentee ballots and cite the appropriate section of your governing documents that explain how the vote will be counted. List the deadline for the vote and the date/time of the meeting when the votes will be counted, inviting people to attend. You might also want to ask for volunteers to help count the vote so everyone knows it's honest.

Oh, and if there's anything in your documents that prohibit people from voting, such as those over X number of days delinquent in paying assessments, add that to your letter, saying the account will have to be made current before the vote can be counted as valid.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
You know, Bonnie? I'm a little nervous about the conclusion that a membership vote taken electronically doesn't need to use the % ownership of the common area to tally them.

Now, I'm glad our HOA doesn't have that in our documents. But you've mentioned this percentage in previous posts. In your citation, you say something about "Exhibit B," but not what it states. From what you've quoted, the % for each unit is spelled out in Exhibit B, right?

Back to my concern: if the election complies with your documents and NE laws in every other way, why shouldn't the percentage be used. I guess i don't grasp the logic. Is this vote just an advisory vote Owners' opinions) rather than a "real" election?

Maybe you're willing to share the topic that members are voting on.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
The vote involves our website. Last year the Board defferred to the membership on the issue of either having a website or not having a website. The members voted for a website but the vote was amended to require a vote after the site was up for a year to decide if we want to continue it. Ballots were sent as this community has many older members who do not use a computer and therefore cannot vote eltroncially.

We are currently in negogiation with an outside property management company. Once we actually sign a contract (So far all systems are go) then we can use their expertise in matters such as percentage vote. I basically agree with you about the percentages needed to be used at all times. But I think this vote is going to be so much in favor of continuing the website that I just don't feel like putting up a fight about it at this time. We have other priorites that we actually need to fight to keep this a senior community.

This former President (in my opinion) thinks he knows so much about our documents and he actually knows so little about our documents. It scares me that I went to him for advise when I first became a Board Member.

Yes Exhibit B does indicate the percentage assigned to each unit.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Our documents list a percentage of ownership also but it does not apply to votes, there it is one unit one vote not 75% of a vote. When the former president or really anybody states something is in the CC&R's hand them a copy and state: "I was not aware of that. Please show me."

This is especially effective when someone states something is against the law.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Thank you very much for the clarification, Glen. So . . . . in Bonnie's HOA units with a larger % pay more in assessments than those with a smaller % ownership ?
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
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Posted By GlenL on 06/22/2013 5:58 PM
Our documents list a percentage of ownership also but it does not apply to votes, there it is one unit one vote not 75% of a vote. When the former president or really anybody states something is in the CC&R's hand them a copy and state: "I was not aware of that. Please show me."

This is especially effective when someone states something is against the law.

I wish ours did not apply to votes. As Secretary, I spend much time preparing proxies and ballots for our annual meeting. After they are prepared, I double check the percentages to make certain it totals 100% and then I have another Board member review the proxies and ballots with me to be certain everything is correct. Of course I hope we have outside management before the next annual meeting.

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