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DoloresM2 (California)
Posts: 60
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and while it is not a problem for our HOA, I would appreciate any input people here would have on how to deal with it.

One of our tenants grows pot in her back yard. She says she has a license to do so. She has been with us for a year and the workers that our property manager sent to her house to do repairs have mentioned the house always smells of pot. Last week, she accused our gardeners of stealing the pot that apparently was in planters, not in the ground.

First she said she said she saw one of them hide it under his coat, which would be kind of strange as it was over 90 degrees and why would he be wearing a coat, then she said he threw it over the fence and damaged the wood. This team of gardeners have worked on all our rentals and our own house for the last six years and they are hard working and honest. The owner of the gardening company said that there are quite a few homes that people grow pot in the back yard and no one has ever had any stolen. I would never have guessed so many would grow it in a fairly upscale retirement community.

The problem now is that she has stated that she will not let any mexicans "her words, not mine" work in her garden. I do not think she can legally do this, it would seem to violate some kind of fair housing law. I do not mind losing her as a tenant over this I just want to make sure she cannot sue us over this.

Any help would be appreciated.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
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If she is having a problem with theft, tell her to call the police, not you.

As to her blocking access to your gardeners, does your rental agreement specify that you will maintain the landscaping? If so then she doesn't really have anything to say about who you hire to do the work.
AnnH4 (Florida)
Posts: 53
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Maybe she was smoking too much weed and hallucinating and thought the gardener was wearing a coat? Seriously, you are the landlord and either renew her lease when the time comes or cut her loose. Perhaps, if it is not illegal in California, to have your next lease prohibit the growing of marijuana on your property? Just because somebody has a license to do anything does not give them the right to do it on your own property without your permission?
DoloresM2 (California)
Posts: 60
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Actually, I believe that the tenant may not need our permission to grow the stuff. She just needs a license. Which she probably does have.

I do not care if she grows the stuff, I care about the fact that she is a racist liar. The crew that does her yard also does ours and they are nice hardworking men. The father of the owner of the business, who is Portuguese did her yard this week and that is when she told him she did not want Mexican's on her property.

I just need to make sure that she cannot legally do this and I will go with the gardeners next week to see what happens. If she does come right out and say she will not let Mexican's work on her property, I will then present her with a letter from my lawyer that explains anti discrimination laws and how much this little episode is going to cost her.

I hope that is how it will end. I cannot imagine it would be legal to allow such blatant discrimination.
JanellB
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Posted By DoloresM2 on 06/19/2013 5:43 PM
Actually, I believe that the tenant may not need our permission to grow the stuff. She just needs a license. Which she probably does have.

I do not care if she grows the stuff, I care about the fact that she is a racist liar. The crew that does her yard also does ours and they are nice hardworking men. The father of the owner of the business, who is Portuguese did her yard this week and that is when she told him she did not want Mexican's on her property.

I just need to make sure that she cannot legally do this and I will go with the gardeners next week to see what happens. If she does come right out and say she will not let Mexican's work on her property, I will then present her with a letter from my lawyer that explains anti discrimination laws and how much this little episode is going to cost her.

I hope that is how it will end. I cannot imagine it would be legal to allow such blatant discrimination.

I don't know about the laws of California but it doesn't sound like she's breaking any laws, especially since the lawn maintenance crew sound like contractors. If they were employees then her bigotry may be illegal.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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I would simply tell her it's a police matter. Call the police, not me.
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
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Posted By DoloresM2 on 06/19/2013 3:59 PM

One of our tenants grows pot in her back yard. She says she has a license to do so.

Is she growing this pot for sale? If so, it is a commercial enterprise that you should be able to terminate under your CC&R's.

BTW, has she ever produced the license?

ValerieS2 (Michigan)
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Posted By MatthewW4 on 06/19/2013 10:04 PM
Posted By DoloresM2 on 06/19/2013 3:59 PM

One of our tenants grows pot in her back yard. She says she has a license to do so.


Is she growing this pot for sale? If so, it is a commercial enterprise that you should be able to terminate under your CC&R's.

BTW, has she ever produced the license?


It is not the HOA's business whether or not she has a license. The HOA should have NO PART in enforcement or monitoring of pot.
DwightT (Idaho)
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Dolores has stated that it is not an HOA issue, but rather is an issue that she is having with one of her renters. HOA CC&Rs don't apply - only the rental agreement that she has with the tenant. Technically she probably shouldn't be asking the question on this forum, but since the issue is similar to dealing with CC&R violations, she was seeking our input.

If the tenant agreed (by accepting the rental agreement) that the landlord is responsible for landscape maintenance, then the tenant has no say as to who the landlord hires to do that maintenance. I think Dolores is taking the correct approach in accompanying the gardeners that she hired and being prepared to give the tenant a letter from an attorney explaining the anti-discrimination laws.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By DwightT on 06/20/2013 1:55 PM
Dolores has stated that it is not an HOA issue, but rather is an issue that she is having with one of her renters. HOA CC&Rs don't apply - only the rental agreement that she has with the tenant. Technically she probably shouldn't be asking the question on this forum, but since the issue is similar to dealing with CC&R violations, she was seeking our input.

If the tenant agreed (by accepting the rental agreement) that the landlord is responsible for landscape maintenance, then the tenant has no say as to who the landlord hires to do that maintenance. I think Dolores is taking the correct approach in accompanying the gardeners that she hired and being prepared to give the tenant a letter from an attorney explaining the anti-discrimination laws.

Not sure I would go down the discrimination road. I would go down the road of I own this and it is in our agreement that I will maintain it. This is the company I choose to maintain it.

Care to toke up and discuss it?

DoloresM2 (California)
Posts: 60
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Well she says all her pot has been stolen so now we cannot even toke up before we discuss it.

Also I did get some legal advice which seems to indicate that she does not have to let anyone on her property if she did not hire them. And unfortunately, she did not hire them, we pay them to work on all our houses. So it looks like she has won this round. However her lease is for ten more months and then her rent will increase by quite a large amount. I would just give her notice that we will not be renewing it she may somehow be able to say we are evicting her because of this disagreement about the gardening.

However, I will be meeting with my lawyer next week and will wait till then to decide how to proceed. Thanks for all the advice.
DoloresM2 (California)
Posts: 60
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I have not seen the license yet but they are very easy to get in California so I tend to think she has one. I will stop by next week after meeting with my attorney just to make sure she has one but for now, it looks like she has won round one.
GlenL (Ohio)
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License aside when you meet with the attorney next week, I would discus your potential liability since you know of her "crop". The reason people grow on leased land and drive leased cars is because property can be seized as part of the criminal enterprise. Now I'm not familiar with CA pot laws and what is and isn't allowed but as I understand it, it is still against federal law and the DEA still raids growers. While I'm sure you wouldn't loose the home it could be an expensive legal bill to prove your uninvolvement.

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JM10 (California)
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Posted By GlenL on 06/22/2013 6:10 PM
License aside when you meet with the attorney next week, I would discus your potential liability since you know of her "crop". The reason people grow on leased land and drive leased cars is because property can be seized as part of the criminal enterprise. Now I'm not familiar with CA pot laws and what is and isn't allowed but as I understand it, it is still against federal law and the DEA still raids growers. While I'm sure you wouldn't loose the home it could be an expensive legal bill to prove your uninvolvement.

I would look into this. Just because she says she has a license, doesn't mean she has one or that what she is doing is legal on both the state and federal levels. Further, don't most lease agreements require following the HOA CC&R? And don't most CC&R forbid business operations?

I would want clarification on whether this is a cash crop (my folks were real farmers) because that might lead to other legal issues. I would ask for a copy of the license before I met with my attorney.

If you hired the gardeners, then you could be accused of discrimination, but not your tenant I think.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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May I say that you as a landlord should have put more terms in your rental contract. Hopefully next time you will. It will make it easier to evict your tenant. The first of which you should have in your document if your in a HOA that the tenant must obey the rules of the HOA or be terms for eviction. This would have helped you a lot.

Here is another issue. Here where I live, a person who is a "Drug dealer" just to put it in simple terms, can have the property they are living in condemned. It does not matter if they are renters or own it. Once they are arrested and convicted that property is marked condemned. So you as an owner put yourself at risk for owning condemned property. A scenario that is one of your worst possible nightmares. The city doesn't play. Which means they have a policy of tearing down that property once they condemn it. The HOA can do nothing.

Not to say that will happen in this situation as every areas laws are different. It is just you need to see the worst case scenario in front of your eyes to maybe wake up a bit. Next time, do a bit more research and background checking. Also make sure you write a legal rental agreement that allows you to have stronger eviction rights. There are such a thing called "tenant rights" that will trump yours. Some scenerios have the tenant not paying rent up to a year without eviction. So do your due diligence.

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DoloresM2 (California)
Posts: 60
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The lease does contain a clause that the tenant is to obey all the HOA rules. She was also subject to a credit check and provided all necessary references. She has been a tenant for over a year, having signed a new lease recently. She has never been one day late on her rent and according to our VERY COMPETENT PROFOSSIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER, she keeps the house in an immaculate condition.

She will definitely not get a lease renewal next year but rather than spend time and money on getting her out sooner, we have decided to let this slide until then. However, maybe you could elaborate on how a tenant, in a state that has licensed her to grow enough pot for her own consumption can be evicted for breaking rules that that state has already exempted her from.

In that she is legally entitled to grow the stuff according to the State of California, I did not have a problem with that. However I was going to pay whatever it took to get her out because of her racist attitude. Unfortunately, a bigger personal problem popped up and I took the path of least resistance. The advice to practice due is good, and maybe you should also take it.
RobW2 (California)
Posts: 7
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If she has a medical card than law enforcemet will turn their heads and do nothing. Been there done that here in SD county.
DoloresM2 (California)
Posts: 60
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Thank you for your very helpful reply. I did state at the beginning that I did not see this as an HOA problem but I do read this site often and have several homes in a HOA community and I also live there myself and thought this would be a good place to get people's thoughts on how to deal with this unforeseen problem.

It is good to hear you say that the tenant does not have a say in who provides her landscape service in that we are paying for it. She, of course, does not agree with that and while she has been a good tenant in paying on time and keeping up the property, she is quite an eccentric character which was a little extra work for our great property manager.

We were certainly appreciative of our property manager's ability to work with this difficult tenant, and because the last few months of her first lease passed without incident and she paid on time and kept up the property we were quite confident that signing another year's lease would be beneficial for both us and the tenant. Unfortunately, just as the ink dried on the new lease, she informed us that our "Mexican" gardeners were stealing her pot.

Again, for those from Alabama that are not familiar with California laws, growing the stuff is legal with a permit. However, racial slurs and accusations are not acceptable to me. I was absolutely going to do everything legally possible to get her out. I have an very knowledgeable lawyer. Unfortunately a family crisis came up and I had other things to worry about. Our property manager has handled the situation very well and soon this tenants lease will be up and that will be one less thing to worry about.

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