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VictorS (Missouri)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Our Condo Complex boarders a subdivisions common ground. There are 2 trees on that common ground that overhang our property and specifically two homes. These 2 trees lean, about 60 degrees toward us, and, due to this lean, could only fall toward us, and these 2 homes. We feel these trees are defective, due to this lean, and as one is a split trunk tree, that is it has 2 main trunks growing out of it's base. We have advised, in writing with pictures of the problem, the Subdivison's Homeowners Association, who own the common ground, of this problem and of the potential danger. We have had our contractor climb on the roof of one of these two homes to trim overhanging branches as they were rubbing granules off roof shingles, causing damage. Their Association was also informed of this. We advised them we would hold them liable, due to their negligence, if they took no action to correct this. We also cited, to them, a New York City court decision- Premium Point Park Association vs Lanza. ( however we are in Missouri ) We asked them to take action to correct this problem, but so far they have not done so. Are we correct that we contend they are liable ?

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
send the owner(s) of the trees a certified, return receipt letter stating your concerns

include 30 day notice of your intent to trim / remove ALL branches / limbs which overhang the property line

follow up and actually trim / remove

then, any damage caused by a known / notified "hazard tree" would be the responsibility of the owner
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
You are allowed to trim limbs that go onto your property from a neighbor. Are you in a HOA as well? Each HOA is set up differently. The letters may need to go to the individual owners and not the HOA. That is if they are responsible for their own yard maintenance.

If these trees were to fall, make sure to ask your insurance company the ramifications. Let's not ASSUME the HOA would be responsible. Find out the details first before deciding what they are.

Former HOA President
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Victor,

I have seen similar problems discussed elsewhere and I think you are on the right track. That is, you were within your rights to remove the branches overhanging on your side of the property line and your conclusion that the tree owner would be liable should it fall is consistent with what I have been told in the past. But keep reading.

Your next step should be to consult with an attorney with the intent to seek a court order for removal of the trees from the neighboring property. In general you have an obligation to mitigate damages and sitting on your hands waiting for the other party to correct a dangerous situation may not meet that requirement.

I also read Premium Point Park Association vs Lanza. It was a real eye-opener in that the court found that a tree-owner is not liable for his tree falling over if he has not had notice that there is a danger of that happening. In the case cited, the association owned a tree that fell onto Lanza's property in a windstorm; the court held that the association was not liable as it had no notice that the tree posed a threat.

The court cited another case:
"Considering first the negligence cause of action, it is established that no liability attaches to a landowner whose tree falls outside of his premises and injures another unless there exists actual or constructive knowledge of the defective condition of the tree. (Harris v. Village of East Hills, 41 NY2d 446, 449; Restatement [Second] of Torts, Section 363; Prosserand Keeton, Torts, at 390 [5th ed]).

While that was a New York case, the conclusions of law rely heavily on the Restatement [Second] of Torts, which is a recognized authority (although not necessarily the final word) in almost all states.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Victor

You have gotten some good advice.

HOA or not, I am under the belief that one can trim any branches from a tree that overhangs ones property. I say you can trim all branches that overhang your property. Now I might want to be on the safe side and send notice of my intent to do so.

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
sorry for the long post, but it is not simple:

http://www2.mnbar.org/benchandbar/2002/mar02/tree.htm

Negligence: Hazard Trees and Limbs
The trend across the country is to hold tree owners legally responsible for damage caused by unsound or "hazard trees."11 A hazard tree is a tree with a defect plus a target, such as a sidewalk, a car, or a house in the path of an unstable or decaying tree.

Minnesota cases involving negligence in tree law tend to fall into two categories: damage caused by trees or damage done to trees. Foreseeability is the common thread that runs through both types of claims. In both instances, courts will look at what should have been obvious to the tree owner about the tree's condition.
Damage Your Client's Tree Causes. If a neighbor's tree is unsound and threatens your client's property, the neighbor may be liable for any damage that occurs. The test is whether the tree owner knew or should have known that damage was likely. A tree owner is not expected to be a tree expert, but she is expected to recognize obvious symptoms of a problem, such as the unseasonal lack of leaves, a dead limb, visible decay, or a tree leaning dangerously to one side. If the potential for damage is foreseeable and if the tree owner fails to take corrective action, the courts will likely hold the owner legally responsible for damage caused to people or property.

In an unpublished opinion, the Minnesota Court of Appeals found that a landowner was not liable in a personal injury case where the landowner's tree did not pose an obvious danger.12 In that case, a tree trimmer was injured when a decaying branch broke. Liability was not imposed, because the branch appeared to be sturdy and showed no signs of decay. In another case, a landowner was found to owe no duty to protect a pedestrian from a low-hanging branch that was clearly visible.13
What's Entropy Got to Do With It? A Georgia case that reaches the same conclusion about foreseeable danger is worth quoting. Taking judicial notice of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the court said,
This law tells us that all in the universe, trees, human beings, plants, animals, buildings, and all else are headed downward from complexity to simplicity toward decay, deterioration, decadence, and death. Everything heads towards decay; for example, a tree decaying, which is an increase of entropy, or uselessness. We are specifically limiting liability to patent, visible decay, and not the normal, usual, latent, micro-nonvisible, accumulative decay. In other words, there is no duty to consistently and constantly check all pine trees for non-visible rot, as the manifestation of decay must be visible, apparent, and patent so that one could be aware that high winds might combine with visible rot and cause damage.14
Act of God. A frequently heard excuse is that damage caused by a fallen tree was an act of God. Not every tree that falls over in a strong wind and causes damage is the result of an act of God.17 To qualify as an act of God in negligence cases, all of the following elements are needed: 1) the accident must have happened from a force of nature that was both unexpected and unforeseeable; 2) that force must have been the sole cause of the accident; and 3) the accident could not have been prevented by using reasonable care.18 A bolt of lightning is an act of God, if it is the sole cause of an injury. However, a person is liable if his own prior negligence combined with the act of God to cause the injury.

Notes
1 Holmberg v. Bergin, 172 N.W.2d 739 (Minn. 1969).
2 Minn. Stat.ยค561.01
3 Holmberg v. Bergin, supra.
4 Michalson v. Nutting, 275 Mass. 232, 175 N.E. 490 (1931)
5 Richmond v. General Engineering Enterprises Co., 454 So. 2d 16 (Fla App D3, 1984).
6 Holmberg v. Bergin, 172 N.W.2d at 744.
7 Booska v. Patel, 24 Cal. App. 4th 1787, 30 Cal. Rptr. 2d 241 (1994).
8 Michalson v. Nutting, supra, 175 N.E. at 490.
9Smith v. Holt, 174 Va. 213, 5 S.E.2d 492 (1939)
10 See, e.g., Skinner v. Wilder, 38 Vt. 115 (1865).
11 "Hazard tree" is a term of art used by arborists and tree scientists.
12 Allison v. Olson and Mauer, filed December 12, 2000, C0-00-942 (unpublished). http://www.lawlibrary.state.mn.us/archive/ctapun/0012/942.htm
13 Sperr by Sperr v. Ramsey County, 429 N.W.2d 317 (Minn. App. 1988).
14 Cornett v. Agee, 143 Ga. App. 55, 237 S.E.2nd 522, 524 (1977).
15 Rector v. McCrossan, 235 N.W.2d 609 (1975)
16 Guide for Plant Appraisal, 8th Ed. 1992.
17 Swanson v. LaFontaine, 238 Minn. 460, 57 N.W.2d 262 (1953)
18 VandenBroucke v. Lyon County, 301 Minn. 300, 222 N.W.2d 792 (1974)


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