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RogerC4 (Illinois)
Posts: 2
Posted:
In the past when we have had properties sell, the mortgage company has *always* contacted our HOA asking if there were any outstanding liens against the property for sale. Two years ago, we had a foreclosure property sell and they followed the process. We stated the amount of the outstanding dues and they sent a check prior to closing.

Two months ago we had another foreclosure property sell. Being Secretary/Treasurer of the HOA I attempted to contact the listing agent. After three messages left over two weeks I never did get a return call. I managed to dig up the name of the new buyer as he has not actually taken residence yet. (doing renovations prior to occupancy) He stated that his attorney told him that he is not responsible for the past dues. Those would be the responsibility of HUD.

Not being well versed in Legalese, I have reviewed the Illinois statues and it appears that HUD is responsible, though the new owner may be responsible for up to the last six months. So my questions are this:

1. Is it part of the legal selling process that the mortgage companies/title companies/etc are REQUIRED to contact the HOA for outstanding liens?

2. Who is really responsible and for what part of the past dues?

3. We did not file liens with the local courts as we were always contacted and paid in the past. Would this be the only way that the liens are enforceable?

Thank you in advance for the guidance of forum members.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
#1 mistake was not having a lien on the property before it sold. That is where you all lost out in this situation. It does not necessarily sound like a foreclosure if they are calling to ask what the dues are that are owed. That is most likely a short sale situation.

The only state that I know of that the new owner pays the debt of the past owner is in Florida. Otherwise the new owner just pays from the day they own the property forward.

This sounds like it was a HUD sale. Which is usually not necessarily a bank foreclosure. HUD usually forecloses on back taxes. Which if no one bought the house at the foreclosure sale, it then becomes a HUD foreclosure. HUD then would be responsible for paying the dues from their ownership period.

It's best to have a lien policy in place. We had a 6 month behind in dues you got a lien. That way you could avoid situations like this.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By RogerC4 on 06/11/2013 11:37 AM

1. Is it part of the legal selling process that the mortgage companies/title companies/etc are REQUIRED to contact the HOA for outstanding liens?

Every State is different.
You need to check your applicable State laws.

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Posted By RogerC4 on 06/11/2013 11:37 AM

2. Who is really responsible and for what part of the past dues?

Each owner is responsible from the date of purchase (closing) till the date of selling.

Except for FL properties, the new owner is not responsible for the past owners assessment debt. They are only responsible from the date of closing forward.

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Posted By RogerC4 on 06/11/2013 11:37 AM

= 3. We did not file liens with the local courts as we were always contacted and paid in the past. Would this be the only way that the liens are enforceable?

Yes.

If you know where the previous owner moved to, you could start a legal process to collect. However, depending on the amount owed, this might not be financially worth it.

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