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RichardS25 (Florida)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Our Board is torn over street lighting. The only lighting we have is provided by 5foot
property lamp posts provided by the builder. Our covenants require the maintenance of these lampposts
by each owner. Our President does not like the light in his front window, so he refuses to
maintain bulbs stating that while the lamp post must be maintained there is no requirement to keep it lit.
All posts are on photocells by builder.

I am told there is a legal principal that states if something (a streetlamp) is required that it can be reasonably
affirmed that it be kept in working order. Can anyone please enlighten me on this legal principal?

Best regards great site

Richard Smith HOA Board VP
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Welcome, Richard.

I've nothing to do with the legal profession, but have heard that "reasonableness" guides legal decisions. So it seems to me that you are correct.

Your covenants state that each owner must maintain the lampposts. it's reasonable to assume that means the post itself, the shade or glass, its proper operation, the wiring and so forth.

In our HOA, owners must maintain their individual balconies, but not every facet of "balcony" is spelled out in our CC&Rs. We reasonably assume it means a balcony's ceiling, walls, light fixture, railings with glass panels, and tile floor.

You Board prez should be treated like every other owner and your Board should follow your HOA's procedures for dealing with violations.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I think the operative words is "Maintained in operating conditions". Which I would take to mean that the light has to work at all times but not necessarily be on. It must be able to operate if called upon. Like in a "Lights on" community crime prevention program.

As long as that light has the possibility of working when necessary it doesn't mean it has to be used.

Former HOA President
KaushalV (New Jersey)
Posts: 25
Posted:
By "maintaining a light post", I think it is reasonable to assume that it is in working condition. Since the function is to illuminate the street at night, it would be reasonable to expect that it comes on everyday at dusk and turns off at dawn.

Now, I would suggest thinking in a way that achieves both goals - 1) lighting of the street AND 2) avoid light going into his front window. How about a cover that block light in the direction of President's window and instead reflects it toward the street?
RichardS25 (Florida)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Good thoughts thank you
We have suggested covering back of light as others have but he refuses. If all let their bulbs fail there would be 0 lighting.
Point is does anyone know legal rule that keeping a fixture working as intended is reasonable and the law? It would be like sealing your mailbox shut.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Well, Richard, comply with your documents for the safety of your community--these are the only street lights you have! If someone stumbled and got hurt because of poor lighting, your Board would be liable for not taking care of this hazardous situation that you're well aware of. I don't need to be an attorney to state this with a fair amount of confidence. Your job as directors is to protect your HOA's assets; it's not to give in to the president's whims.

Why should the prez get special privileges?? Call him to hearing and fine him if necessary. Let him hire an attorney. Or is the rest of your Board afraid of him?

Your Board, probably without cause, may remove him from the office of president, by the way. Check your bylaws.
RichardS25 (Florida)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Excellent
thank you
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KaushalV on 06/11/2013 12:28 PM
By "maintaining a light post", I think it is reasonable to assume that it is in working condition. Since the function is to illuminate the street at night, it would be reasonable to expect that it comes on everyday at dusk and turns off at dawn.

Now, I would suggest thinking in a way that achieves both goals - 1) lighting of the street AND 2) avoid light going into his front window. How about a cover that block light in the direction of President's window and instead reflects it toward the street?

Good thinking on blocking the back of the light.
RichardS25 (Florida)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Great but that was suggested to him. Offered to do it for free....
no luck
very dark with no light
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardS25 on 06/12/2013 2:33 AM
Great but that was suggested to him. Offered to do it for free....
no luck
very dark with no light

Maintaining the light pole in working order says to me the light must function as it was designed to. End of story. Time for the BOD to man up and notify the owner to do so or the fines will commence.

RichardS25 (Florida)
Posts: 18
Posted:
agree
Only thing he may listen to is legal precedent. Is there a lawyer in your group?
The principle here is we can't put every darn possibility in a rule....a reasonable person expects
that what is required will also be required to function.

Thanks so much for writing... this is a needed and good group
RichardS25 (Florida)
Posts: 18
Posted:
agree
Only thing he may listen to is legal precedent. Is there a lawyer in your group?
The principle here is we can't put every darn possibility in a rule....a reasonable person expects
that what is required will also be required to function.

Thanks so much for writing... this is a needed and good group
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
The president cannot vote on this topic due to a conflict of interest. You don't need him "to listen" to anything except your Board's decision. The rest of you need to vote to proceed with whatever steps you take in your HOA to gain compliance with your CC&Rs.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CarolR11 on 06/12/2013 10:01 AM
The president cannot vote on this topic due to a conflict of interest.

Actually, the President shouldn't vote on this topic.
However, if the Board allows it, the President could actually cast a vote.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Ah, of course you're right, Tim!
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Ah, of course you're right, Tim!
MicheleH1 (Florida)
Posts: 14
Posted:
It's one of the main jobs of the bod to maintain common area elements. Including existing lights.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleH1 on 06/13/2013 7:50 PM
It's one of the main jobs of the bod to maintain common area elements. Including existing lights.

The covenants say it is the job of the owners to maintain. I would start enforcement as required by the C&Rs to get the homeowner in compliance and set a precedent for the neighborhood.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
I can't think of any situation where one would reasonably interpret a non-working light as having been maintained.

"Yup, I've maintained it"
But the light doesn't come on
"Well yeah, not that part"

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
There is no debate over light maintenance. The light needs to be lit.

That said, vote to move the light where it's not shining directly into someone's house. That is not unreasonable and there's underground power serving the lamp post.

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