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MarkR12 (Indiana)
Posts: 1
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I am the President of our HOA in Marion County, Indiana. In 2010, a previous Board raised the dues by $35 (annually) without a vote of the membership. At that time there was no protest. The members have been paying the new fee level for 2 year. Suddenly, this month, a member and her husband decided to circulate a petition demanding the dues go back to the previous level. I have done a 'what if' with the budget and if we can only collect at the previous level we will not be able to meet our financial obligation for the HOA. I contacted a HOA lawyer who said that a good case could be made that if the members paid the dues they gave approval to the fee increase even if it was made against the requirements of the covenants. I am afraid that this petition and these 2 members are going to create a crisis and I would like to get ahead of it. What should I do?

BTW, it take a 60% vote of the membership to increase the dues. We are very lucky to get 10-15% of the membership to attend the annual membership meeting.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Mark

Read your Covenants/Bylaws closer. Many do allow the BOD the power for a moderate dues increase each year without the approval of the owners.

Ours allow a 5% annual dues increase.

If that does not work then I suggest the BOD send out a letter/budget comparison between old and new dues. Show how the shortfall would hurt the budget. Get the rest of the owners on your side.

Hope this helps.

MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Mark,

Also, take a look at state laws. My state allows the BOD to increase assessments by 20% without a member vote. Check the non-profit statutes to see if there is a provision for a lower quorum. My state recognizes a quorum as low as 10% of the members. That way you need only 60% of 10% to approve a budget. If your state allows the use of proxies, solicit the members to allow you to vote on their behalf.

You should also look into amending your CC&R's. There is no point in having a board of directors if the members must ratify their actions.

I do not know about your CC&R's, but mine requires that the board make an annual budget and then base assessments on the budget. Too many boards do just the opposite: they budget based on last year's assessments.

You might propose that since expenses must be cut to balance the lower budget that each owner will need to perform a few hours of yard work each week and be prepared to shovel snow in the winter. Send out a sign-up roster.

If your members need 60% to approve the budget, would it also take 60% to vote it down? If you cannot get members to attend then how will the irate homeowner get support for her position?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members FOR it's members. I would ask these petitioners how they expect the HOA to keep up the level of maintenance and paying of bills if they have to go back to the old budget. The cost of living each year goes up. That is why it is built in for the board to raise dues up to 5% to compensate for this.

These people are just shooting themselves in the foot with the petition. If your membership wants a certain level of maintenance and amenities, they have to pay for them. It's not like they will get reimbursed for all the previous dues they feel they overpaid in the past. Your budget could not begin to handle that... Plus this is a case of "suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors". Reducing the budget puts your HOA in danger of not meeting it's bills nor being able to make improvements/emergency repairs.

Former HOA President
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
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Posted By MarkR12 on 06/07/2013 3:19 AM
I am the President of our HOA in Marion County, Indiana. In 2010, a previous Board raised the dues by $35 (annually) without a vote of the membership. At that time there was no protest. The members have been paying the new fee level for 2 year. Suddenly, this month, a member and her husband decided to circulate a petition demanding the dues go back to the previous level. I have done a 'what if' with the budget and if we can only collect at the previous level we will not be able to meet our financial obligation for the HOA. I contacted a HOA lawyer who said that a good case could be made that if the members paid the dues they gave approval to the fee increase even if it was made against the requirements of the covenants. I am afraid that this petition and these 2 members are going to create a crisis and I would like to get ahead of it. What should I do?

BTW, it take a 60% vote of the membership to increase the dues. We are very lucky to get 10-15% of the membership to attend the annual membership meeting.

really over

Mark:

Is this possible crisis really over just $35 per YEAR? Inflation and cost of doing business would more than cover that sort of increase over two years.

Sounds to me like you have two idiots who now wish to make an issue. My suggestion sit back and wait to see how far they get before you start responding this possible petition.

IF they successfully get a petition signed by the required number of owners to call a special meeting to vote on this THEN I would send out a simple, detailed response with the budget numbers and the affect of now taking in LESS as these two owners suggest.

As a general rule I would think reducing or refunding the dues amount or surplus collected dues is a bad policy. Costs across the board increase over time and in the real world you cannot maintain services and continue operations at the same levels with LESS money.

Every property has them folks who think they alone can figure out some way things should be handled when it is likely they have never bothered to consider what affect these decisions would have if implemented.

If we reduced dues as you suggested what services do you wish to eliminate???? Landscaping, water and sewer, snow removal, insurance, utilities, pool, maintenance, management, just what can we now do without.

Let this rise to the level of an issue before you waste time and money countering this effort.
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/07/2013 4:56 AM
A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members FOR it's members. I would ask these petitioners how they expect the HOA to keep up the level of maintenance and paying of bills if they have to go back to the old budget. The cost of living each year goes up. That is why it is built in for the board to raise dues up to 5% to compensate for this.

These people are just shooting themselves in the foot with the petition. If your membership wants a certain level of maintenance and amenities, they have to pay for them. It's not like they will get reimbursed for all the previous dues they feel they overpaid in the past. Your budget could not begin to handle that... Plus this is a case of "suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors". Reducing the budget puts your HOA in danger of not meeting it's bills nor being able to make improvements/emergency repairs.

Oh, Heavenly Father! Surely, I deserve to be struck by lightning and to burn in Hell for all eternity for saying this, but I agree with Melissa.

Mark,

It also occurred to me that if your budget is barely sufficient to cover operating expenses you most likely are unable to set anything aside for reserve funds for future capital repairs and replacements. As a board member, you are in a precarious position. You owe a fiduciary duty to the association members to set aside reserves as well as pay for current operating expenses, yet the CC&R's prevent you from execising those duties by requiring that the members ratify the board's actions. You are in a no-win situation as the law imposes a duty while the CC&R's prevent you from performing those duties without the approval of 60% of the members.

Since this is a nearly impossible situation to correct through normal means, you may want to consult an attorney about getting some sort of court-ordered reformation of the CC&R's to allow the BOD to perform its duties.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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I agree, Mark, with those who advise you to closely read your own governing docs AND relevant state law to learn if the dues increase was, in fact, legal. In CA, and apparently other states, the board may increase dues xx% without owner approval.
MicheleH1 (Florida)
Posts: 14
Posted:
President in Florida:

Our bod does the budget every year. If the expenses go up so do the dues. The members of the community cannot chose to keep it lower and just not pay the necessary expenses.

If they are raising the dues because they want to make unapproved modifications than the members can vote against the raise.
AnnH4 (Florida)
Posts: 53
Posted:
Everyone seems to be absolutely correct. The Association's bylaws should stipulate how much the Board can raise annual assessments without a vote of the membership. After that percentage (in our HOA it is around 15%), then it goes to a vote by the membership. Unfortunately, what happens is if the members are not wanting to pay enough to keep an Association funded then they are running not only the risk of losing certain funded services/amenities, they are probably also running the risk of the need for a special assessment should there be a large unanticipated expense. Educating the membership will hopefully help. Also, an assurance that for future situations the Board will adhere to the bylaws when raising assessments might help defuse the situation.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Posted By MarkR12 on 06/07/2013 3:19 AM
I am the President of our HOA in Marion County, Indiana. In 2010, a previous Board raised the dues by $35 (annually) without a vote of the membership. At that time there was no protest. The members have been paying the new fee level for 2 year. Suddenly, this month, a member and her husband decided to circulate a petition demanding the dues go back to the previous level. I have done a 'what if' with the budget and if we can only collect at the previous level we will not be able to meet our financial obligation for the HOA. I contacted a HOA lawyer who said that a good case could be made that if the members paid the dues they gave approval to the fee increase even if it was made against the requirements of the covenants. I am afraid that this petition and these 2 members are going to create a crisis and I would like to get ahead of it. What should I do?

BTW, it take a 60% vote of the membership to increase the dues. We are very lucky to get 10-15% of the membership to attend the annual membership meeting.

Yuck! Our HOA is also in Marion County - does yours fall under that law the state legislature passed in 2009 (for HOAs established after 7/1/09, there's a provision that requires homeowners to approve assessment increases)

As the others have said, wait and see how far these people get before you take further action, but keep that "what if" budget in mind. You may need to use it in the future to demonstrate to people why fee increases are necessary - or what happens to services if some homeowners fail to pay in full and on time.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
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Follow the advice of others, and provide clear information and communication to the membership about the budget, expenditures, etc.. Go out and politic the issue, inform the membership, and hold a proper and correct vote.

Don't look at this as "two whiners trying to raise a stink". Look at it as it is: The board incorrectly raised the dues, without proper process (i won't say illegal, just improper). Take this as an opportunity to say "thank you for pointing that out. You are right, we did it wrong. Now,how can we do it right this time?".

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