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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Is it possible for an association to have "surcharges" for a rental unit?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
No. Your HOA does NOT own the property. They can only charge if they own it. A rental agreement is ONLY between the tenant and the owner. The HOA has NO contract with the renter. If the renter does not follow the rules, the owner's feet are held to the ground NOT the renter.

So if this practice is happening...It's most likely illegal and can be sued for...Bad idea to do it...

Former HOA President
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
How would an HOA's board justify the surcharge?

I'd say if an HOA could, it would be taxable income, yes?

I'm curious why you ask, John46--I believe you've mentioned a few times that your HOA only has three rentals in it.
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Depends what the surcharge is for. Some condominium associations charge a move-in fee to defray the repair cost to common areas such as halls, etc., when furniture is being moved in.

What is your surcharge for?
Jeanne
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jeanne

We do not have a rental issue nor fees.

I not against an association charging a few/fair fees so I was more asking to throw out food for thought and discussion.

I know one HOA that has a 1/4% sales transfer fee. Seems to me like a reasonable fee to me.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Yes, Jeanne, our high rise HOA charges a move in/out fee to owners of units whether tenants or owners are the ones moving in/out because we must hire an extra security officer to monitor the secured-entry lobby doors to the street that the movers need to use. Since the movers must travel through our lobbies, common area hallways, & elevators, we also collect a refundable damage deposit.

In CA, per state civil code, HOAs, generally speaking, may not charge fees to owners unless they are used to defray HOA costs. Other states may not have such laws.
LoriL1 (Florida)
Posts: 78
Posted:
Our condo assn. doesn't do it, but Florida Condo Law does allow for a transfer fee, as well as lease approval by the association, as long as it is authorized in the declaration or bylaws.

FS 718.116(4) If the association is authorized by the declaration or bylaws to approve or disapprove a proposed lease of a unit, the grounds for disapproval may include, but are not limited to, a unit owner being delinquent in the payment of an assessment at the time approval is sought.

FS 718.112(2)(I) Transfer fees.—No charge shall be made by the association or any body thereof in connection with the sale, mortgage, lease, sublease, or other transfer of a unit unless the association is required to approve such transfer and a fee for such approval is provided for in the declaration, articles, or bylaws. Any such fee may be preset, but in no event may such fee exceed $100 per applicant other than husband/wife or parent/dependent child, which are considered one applicant. However, if the lease or sublease is a renewal of a lease or sublease with the same lessee or sublessee, no charge shall be made. The foregoing notwithstanding, an association may, if the authority to do so appears in the declaration or bylaws, require that a prospective lessee place a security deposit, in an amount not to exceed the equivalent of 1 month’s rent, into an escrow account maintained by the association. The security deposit shall protect against damages to the common elements or association property. Payment of interest, claims against the deposit, refunds, and disputes under this paragraph shall be handled in the same fashion as provided in part II of chapter 83.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Aha

So what I am seeing is if framed/phrased properly, it is possible in some states/locales to charge for such. My point taken.

MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
I recall reading about a high-rise condo in Portland, Oregon, that had a move-in/move-out fee of something like $1,000. Ostensibly, this was offset the cost to repair damage caused by movers and do-it-yourselfers.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
John46, based on your tiny sample here, we see one state that permits such a fee-Florida.

Matthew, we too collect $250 for every move (tenant or not), but it's entirely refundable if no move-related damage occurs in our high rise condo buildings. Do you think the $1000 in the OR case is non-refundable?

In CA, anyway, HOAs may not charge fees for anything except to defray HOA costs. But perhaps OR and other states are different.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Let me clarify. NO I do not believe a HOA should charge any owner for renting out their home. The HOA should NOT be involved with any rental agreements with the owner. The HOA is a third party and not part of the deal between owner/tenant.

However, as far as having certain paperwork fees or damage deposits that may be different. It costs money to produce copies of paperwork. That cost should be deferred somehow. However, that cost should be going to the OWNER and not the renter as the renter has no interest in the HOA. The owners may request a copy to give to their renter but renters are not members of the HOA. The owner should have in their rental agreement that their tenant is to follow those rules of the HOA or they can cancel the lease. Which most people with rental property overlook to do in their off the shelf agreements.

Each HOA/condo is different. So I can see a need for maybe a move-in damage fee/deposit. However, it should be standard across the board for both owner/renter. Who pays for it may be up for debate. There are those situations with places that share hallways, elevators, lobbies, or other areas where moving can cause damage. It's just not toward renters but anyone moving in or out of that building.

Former HOA President
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Our management company wanted to implement an "administrative charge" for rental units to cover the costs of mailing everything to the owner and the tenant and other associated costs with rental units. It was a minimal fee, a few bucks a month, but they ended up canceling it because the attorneys said they could get sued.

So, based on that I would say that I wouldn't charge any type of fee to someone just for renting their property out.

We do pay a transfer fee and a one-time special assessment that's a percentage of dues. I had no issue with it; it was just part of my closing costs.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
That charge for sending letters to both the tenant and owner was rendundant and unnecessary. Letters and communications should go to the one address and that is the HOA's address of the owner. The tenant lives there so they will see it. If they do not forward it to the owner then that is their issues NOT the HOA's. A "Courtesy" letter may be sent to the owner if their outside address is known but not necessarily needs to be certified. The certified goes to the address on file in the HOA.

I've found some people who have been upset about not getting notices about impending liens/foreclosures aren't aware of the process. If you put a lien/foreclosure that takes PUBLIC notification and is printed in a news source. The local newspaper in their legal sections of the classifieds will have them. The law/court will consider the fact that it was printed in a PUBLIC source as enough proper notification. It is similar to how some people can get divorced if they can't find the other party. As long as the notice is put in the paper/public resource several times, it's considered notification.

So it's always good to check the newspaper when it comes out. It has helped me keep up with some homes that were being foreclosed on that we were unaware of. Able to get in our lien before that happened.

Former HOA President

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