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WilliamB13 (Florida)
Posts: 14
Posted:
We are a 20 unit HOA in East Central Florida. I am Treasurer and no one wants to be on board or do any of the work. What are the duties of a property manager and do we still need to have a Board. Right now and for the last three years I have been the only one doing anything. What would a manager for our HOA COST ?? Thank you
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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The duties and cost of a property manager will depend on what the Association wants him/her to do. Our property manager (we have 156 townhomes) collects the assessments, pays the bills, assists the Board in preparing the budget, supervises maintenance contractors, sends out CCR violations and more.

That said, remember the HOA board is ultimately responsible for the property manager - it supervises him or her and so must still meet to decide what will be done - the property manager carries out those decisions and instructions.

Normally, I'd say a 20 unit HOA probably doesn't need a formal property manager, but if no one else is willing to help you, I would suggest that you consider everything you do, which tasks require more day to day activity and then talk to a few property management companies to see what they can do and how much it would cost. Ask for references from other HOAs (preferably those around your size) and check them.

Get at least three proposals and then call a meeting of the homeowners (or send a letter if no one shows up) and tell them what the issues are - certain tasks need to be done, you're the only one doing it and since you can't do everything yourself, a property manager should be hired and this is how much it'll cost per homeowner. Yes, the fees will have to go up to pay for the property manager, so if they don't want to pay, someone has to step up and volunteer to help. Good luck!


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> do we still need to have a Board

The board hires, fires and directs the property manager. Yes, you still need one.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The above advice is good advice. However, there is still another option which may actually put a fire under some butts to make a board... You may have the option to disband the HOA altogether as long as you turn it over to a Property Manager. It is in our CC&R's what would happen if we disbanded and how that is handled.

However, here is the catch to this...It means ALL of you LOSE the right to vote, have a say, or modify/enforce any rules. It is all controlled by the management company. Who can regulate how much you pay them. Basically becoming controlled by a third party without say.

So if you mention this to a few people, they may want to form a board and act like a true HOA. When people find out what they are neglecting and what happens when they put the power in someone else's hands... They come singing a tune to your door...

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/06/2013 2:17 PM
The above advice is good advice. However, there is still another option which may actually put a fire under some butts to make a board... You may have the option to disband the HOA altogether as long as you turn it over to a Property Manager. It is in our CC&R's what would happen if we disbanded and how that is handled.

However, here is the catch to this...It means ALL of you LOSE the right to vote, have a say, or modify/enforce any rules. It is all controlled by the management company. Who can regulate how much you pay them. Basically becoming controlled by a third party without say.

So if you mention this to a few people, they may want to form a board and act like a true HOA. When people find out what they are neglecting and what happens when they put the power in someone else's hands... They come singing a tune to your door...

Is that not receivership?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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No. Receivership is when the court dictates it. Turning over by the owners to a paid Property manager is Property Management. Our rules stated if we disbanded we had to turn over to a Property Manager. That is why some wanted to disband the HOA and hire me as the property manager. That way I could get paid for running the place. Which is another factor to consider that your dues going to the manager is paying their salary and insurance.

Former HOA President
TammyI (California)
Posts: 68
Posted:
You may want to inform all members that they are in noncompliance with state law, quote the laws making it look very legal and explain that going into receivership is very expensive and add that they loose all control over their dues. Out of the 11 owners of our 16 units only 2 decided they couldn't serve on the board, which is amazing considering 12 of the units are rentals and the ex-management co said they could get no one to be on the board for the past 6 years.

SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By TammyI on 06/14/2013 1:51 AM
You may want to inform all members that they are in noncompliance with state law, quote the laws making it look very legal and explain that going into receivership is very expensive and add that they loose all control over their dues. Out of the 11 owners of our 16 units only 2 decided they couldn't serve on the board, which is amazing considering 12 of the units are rentals and the ex-management co said they could get no one to be on the board for the past 6 years.


Well, I'm not surprised at the off-site owners. As you know, apathy is the number one problem homeowner associations face, mostly because most homeowners buy their home because "the association" will take care of certain things so they won't have to. They figure as long as the work's being done, they can go on about their business. And as you also know, this is the point where problems start.

What may really move people to act is money - if you want someone else to do certain things, fine, but you need to understand there will be a price for that. The cost for those services can and will go up every year, so as long as a homeowner's ok with that, carry on. Otherwise, there's no point in yelling about "assessments being too high" - you always get what you pay for, one way or another

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
RogerB (Colorado)
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Posted By WilliamB13 on 06/06/2013 7:32 AM
We are a 20 unit HOA in East Central Florida. I am Treasurer and no one wants to be on board or do any of the work. What are the duties of a property manager and do we still need to have a Board. Right now and for the last three years I have been the only one doing anything. What would a manager for our HOA COST ?? Thank you

It has been my experience that the Treasurer does more work than the combined efforts of all the other Board members. You still need a Board but can hire a MC to do almost all duties with oversight by the Board, or an accountant to do financial duties. This may require an increase in assessment which could lead to others stepping up to help
AnnH4 (Florida)
Posts: 53
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Fla Statute 720 has some information about receiverships. If NOBODY is willing to step up to the plate then either you need to go into a receivership or you need to see if you can dissolve the Association. A property manager can do things for a Board but they can not BE the Board.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By RogerB on 06/14/2013 6:33 AM
Posted By WilliamB13 on 06/06/2013 7:32 AM
We are a 20 unit HOA in East Central Florida. I am Treasurer and no one wants to be on board or do any of the work. What are the duties of a property manager and do we still need to have a Board. Right now and for the last three years I have been the only one doing anything. What would a manager for our HOA COST ?? Thank you


It has been my experience that the Treasurer does more work than the combined efforts of all the other Board members. You still need a Board but can hire a MC to do almost all duties with oversight by the Board, or an accountant to do financial duties. This may require an increase in assessment which could lead to others stepping up to help

Good grief, I'm treasurer of my board - I was wondering why it seemed I was the only one doing most of the work!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JanellB
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Posted By WilliamB13 on 06/06/2013 7:32 AM
We are a 20 unit HOA in East Central Florida. I am Treasurer and no one wants to be on board or do any of the work. What are the duties of a property manager and do we still need to have a Board. Right now and for the last three years I have been the only one doing anything. What would a manager for our HOA COST ?? Thank you

I am familiar with the East Orlando area and the costs for a property manager to handle a condo association runs slightly higher than managing an HOA, depending on the responsibilities. You're probably looking at anywhere from $350-$500 per month, possibly a little more. Honestly, in an association as small as yours it is not unusual to have owners who don't want to do anything. The bigger the association the more people want to get involved. I say, shop around and see what you can find.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JanellB on 06/19/2013 10:13 AM
Posted By WilliamB13 on 06/06/2013 7:32 AM
We are a 20 unit HOA in East Central Florida. I am Treasurer and no one wants to be on board or do any of the work. What are the duties of a property manager and do we still need to have a Board. Right now and for the last three years I have been the only one doing anything. What would a manager for our HOA COST ?? Thank you


I am familiar with the East Orlando area and the costs for a property manager to handle a condo association runs slightly higher than managing an HOA, depending on the responsibilities. You're probably looking at anywhere from $350-$500 per month, possibly a little more. Honestly, in an association as small as yours it is not unusual to have owners who don't want to do anything. The bigger the association the more people want to get involved. I say, shop around and see what you can find.

Jan

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JanellB
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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/19/2013 6:15 PM
Posted By JanellB on 06/19/2013 10:13 AM
Posted By WilliamB13 on 06/06/2013 7:32 AM
We are a 20 unit HOA in East Central Florida. I am Treasurer and no one wants to be on board or do any of the work. What are the duties of a property manager and do we still need to have a Board. Right now and for the last three years I have been the only one doing anything. What would a manager for our HOA COST ?? Thank you


I am familiar with the East Orlando area and the costs for a property manager to handle a condo association runs slightly higher than managing an HOA, depending on the responsibilities. You're probably looking at anywhere from $350-$500 per month, possibly a little more. Honestly, in an association as small as yours it is not unusual to have owners who don't want to do anything. The bigger the association the more people want to get involved. I say, shop around and see what you can find.


Jan

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I'm not violating anything. I work for an HOA Management company full time as an accountant and I have my own business. I like coming on here to help. I've been coming to this site for years, I just never registered. Big deal about my signature. At least people know that I have a background in financial management for HOAs. I have seen many questions on here about it and at least I can offer my expertise. I don't expect to draw any business from this. Thanks for being so nice to a newcomer.
JanellB
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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/19/2013 6:15 PM
Posted By JanellB on 06/19/2013 10:13 AM
Posted By WilliamB13 on 06/06/2013 7:32 AM
We are a 20 unit HOA in East Central Florida. I am Treasurer and no one wants to be on board or do any of the work. What are the duties of a property manager and do we still need to have a Board. Right now and for the last three years I have been the only one doing anything. What would a manager for our HOA COST ?? Thank you


I am familiar with the East Orlando area and the costs for a property manager to handle a condo association runs slightly higher than managing an HOA, depending on the responsibilities. You're probably looking at anywhere from $350-$500 per month, possibly a little more. Honestly, in an association as small as yours it is not unusual to have owners who don't want to do anything. The bigger the association the more people want to get involved. I say, shop around and see what you can find.


Jan

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And another thing, you probably just costed HOATalk over $2000. I was strongly considering sponsoring the site because I think it's totally worth it but I may reconsider since there are people on here that are rude. Thanks for helping me along in my decision.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JanellB on 06/19/2013 6:56 PM
Posted By JohnC46 on 06/19/2013 6:15 PM
Posted By JanellB on 06/19/2013 10:13 AM
Posted By WilliamB13 on 06/06/2013 7:32 AM
We are a 20 unit HOA in East Central Florida. I am Treasurer and no one wants to be on board or do any of the work. What are the duties of a property manager and do we still need to have a Board. Right now and for the last three years I have been the only one doing anything. What would a manager for our HOA COST ?? Thank you


I am familiar with the East Orlando area and the costs for a property manager to handle a condo association runs slightly higher than managing an HOA, depending on the responsibilities. You're probably looking at anywhere from $350-$500 per month, possibly a little more. Honestly, in an association as small as yours it is not unusual to have owners who don't want to do anything. The bigger the association the more people want to get involved. I say, shop around and see what you can find.


Jan

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And another thing, you probably just costed HOATalk over $2000. I was strongly considering sponsoring the site because I think it's totally worth it but I may reconsider since there are people on here that are rude. Thanks for helping me along in my decision.

Jan

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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I hate the no edit.

One thing this site has always prided itself on is it independence as it cannot be bought. Care to make another offer?
JanellB
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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/19/2013 7:14 PM
I hate the no edit.

One thing this site has always prided itself on is it independence as it cannot be bought. Care to make another offer?

I would think another thing this site has prided itself on is treating others with respect. You don't know me and you are making assumptions as to why I'm here. Go pick on someone else and take your smug attitude with you.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Well your signature is in violation of the rules. No advertising of your business. We also don't want names of members, lawyers, HOA's, or personal identifiable information posted. It's not fair to those who don't know they are being talked about. Plus we don't need more people bad mouthing HOA's and then giving the name of that HOA. It's something that hurts that HOA in the long run.

So welcome as long as you follow the rules and stay away from the advertising.

Former HOA President
JanellB
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/19/2013 11:49 PM
Well your signature is in violation of the rules. No advertising of your business. We also don't want names of members, lawyers, HOA's, or personal identifiable information posted. It's not fair to those who don't know they are being talked about. Plus we don't need more people bad mouthing HOA's and then giving the name of that HOA. It's something that hurts that HOA in the long run.

So welcome as long as you follow the rules and stay away from the advertising.

I wouldn't dare mention the names of anyone or any HOA on here. And as far as the original poster, I have no clue who he is or what condo he is talking about and I'm not about to wastes hours and hours on end to find out.

I still didn't appreciate being called out in such a rude way by what's his face and with such arrogance. I guess I was just raised to be a bit more polite with others. A simple, "Your signature violates the rules" would have been good enough.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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I am sorry if you feel some were kind of negative towards you. It can get pretty rough in here sometimes. We do have a few posters who do lack a bit of "Tact" but they do mean well. You do get used to them once you get to know them. It just may come out a bit gruff at times. However, we do live in a "HOA" world and kind of use to being treated pretty rough ourselves. I know I've been called a "Dictator" and compared to Hitler... So I kind of can take things a bit more than others.

Former HOA President
LincolnB (Washington)
Posts: 5
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Hello,

Property manager receive rent on owner's behalf, find suitable tenants, handle maintenance, deal with disputes, and sort any issues at the end of a tenancy. In essence, the property manager becomes the landlord’s agent who looks after their investment.
RichardP13 (California)
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Posted By LincolnB on 04/24/2017 10:21 PM
Hello,

Property manager receive rent on owner's behalf, find suitable tenants, handle maintenance, deal with disputes, and sort any issues at the end of a tenancy. In essence, the property manager becomes the landlord’s agent who looks after their investment.

Sorry buddy, this is a description for an owner of a unit, not the manager of an HOA. You might want to read the post more closely.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Lincoln,

Welcome to the forum.

It's best not to reactivate old threads as laws change.
This means that what may have been good advice in 2012 is bad advice in 2017

Tim
JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Hi Lincoln ...

As Tim noted we try to avoid activating old threads due to various state law changes thourghout the years. Also, your question (while might be similar) if your are from a different State your laws may be different from that of the "Original Poster" on a thread activated. At the top on the main page you can click the link to start a new thread. Again, this will insure any issue from your state is better addressed.

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