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LeslieB3 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Greetings everyone, apologies in advance that much of this information may be already stated but I have until the upcoming Tuesday to prepare some sort of report and I'm way over my head.

My neighborhood has a (Non mandatory) HOA in Texas that controls @2.3 acres with an aging pool, some recreation facilities and a lot of grass that needs constant mowing.

A group of concerned neighbors have collected the following information:
1) There are three remaining members of last years board.
2) These Board Members have been running the HOA the last two years with no copy of the by-laws or founding paperwork, they can't find it.
3) They have lost both tax-exempt and non profit status.
4) All bills are in the red including some property taxes.

The board is dragging their feet (for what exact reason I can't tell) in voting in new officers. However they are
1) Collecting membership dues
2) Organizing fundraiser BBQ's
3) Holding gritch sessions rather than proper meetings
4) They are obsessed with opening the pool with band aid repairs even though we have expressed concerns.

Honestly I think these people have no idea of what an HOA is but since they have run it two years this way they don't understand why they can't continue.

I agreed to come up with some sort of report on the status of the HOA for next Tuesday.

What danger signs do you all see, questions I should ask or body armor I should rent? (joking) I know I should be reading all sorts of regulations but would love some pithy talking points that might wake them up.

There are several of us that would like run for this years board but are reluctant to take over something so in shambles.

Thanks!
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> 4) All bills are in the red including some property taxes.

This is the most serious and important issue. Are you talking about the common area or all units? If so anyone with a mortgage is going to hear from their bank very soon.

If #4 is correct I would focus ONLY on that and initiate a recall.
LeslieB3 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Thank you for your answer, to clarify

we are non mandatory so we only collect memberships that allow members to use the pool and facilities. It is taxes on "that" common property that is behind @$100.00 (So I've been told).

We do not collect any assessments of fees from the residents other than a voluntary "pool" membership.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I would start out on the positive and then go into the details. Something like:
Overall the appearance of the community is good, etc.
However, we do need to address a few things and some of these sooner rather than later. These are: xyz

Mandatory or Voluntary, you should have a reserve study to actually identify the expected maintenance, repairs and replacement of your common elements you named and know of (pool, recreational facilities) and the possible other common elements not normally seen as such (sidewalks, street lights, entrance sign, road signs, etc.). This study would also tell you how much needs to be set aside each year to pay for those expected things.

See this thread for more info: Subject: Reserve Studies/Funds 101

Identify the past due bills (property taxes, etc.) but gloss over it by saying something like: As we all know, we need to pay our share to the government or risk consequences. Currently we owe $xxx.xx for property taxes, corporate fees, etc. These are some of the things that need to be addressed as soon as possible.

Without knowing more it's hard to offer more comments.

Hopefully this helped

LeslieB3 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I think our frustration and what I would like to frame the report around is that the old board needs to cease and desist all financial and contractual obligations until a new board has been elected.

That continued action "as usual" would drag the HOA further into non compliance with local, state and federal HOA and Corporation requirements.

Operating without bylaws or any other legal paperwork should be corrected before taking memberships and fundraisers, especially when they have not been filing 1120-h (which I asked about and just got a blank stare).

Even "I" don't want to pay dues to the the treasurer (whom I've been told is the husband of the Vice President)just to have that money go into some black hole.

OK I admit - I'm just frustrated but I do really have to present some sort of report that addresses regaining tax-exempt and non profit status and what that will take given the present condition of the HOA.

Thanks for letting me vent!

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Leslie, you might want to mention that the County is liable to sell the property for the back taxes. If they keep screwing around, you could end up paying a third party a whole lot more to swim in the pool. The time it takes for a tax sale varies from state to state and county to county, you can call your county tax office and inquire on the typical time line and whether they sell the property or simply the right to lien it. For more info try here: http://www.ehow.com/info_8208358_long-delinquent-property-sold-taxes.html

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FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> the old board needs to cease and desist all financial and contractual obligations until a new board has been elected.

You can ASK them and they can decline

You can seek an injunction in court (high cost, time delay, and uncertain)

If recall is possible that is by far the best option

If not you may need to wait until the next election.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LeslieB3 on 05/24/2013 8:17 AM
I think our frustration and what I would like to frame the report around is that the old board needs to cease and desist all financial and contractual obligations until a new board has been elected.

A concern using that approach is that the old board will hear the report as an attack, go on the defensive (we are all human) and possibly completely dismiss the report.

To minimize this, I'd stick to just specifying what needs to be done and let the facts speak for themselves.
LeslieB3 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Thank you all for your suggestions.

I think we have an idea how to approach the group and what tone to take, they already are aware of our concerns. What I am looking for are posts (like the ones already posted) where I can pull info for a list of:

Did you know this should be done? and this should be done? this should be filed? (doesn't mean I'm going to push it down their throat ;) )

They are obviously aware that when the bills don't get paid things go away

I think Tuesday morning I will take a trip to the courthouse see if I can get any documents that might be filed there.

This is the time for the new board to be elected, however last years board has been asked to have elections (which they have ignored) and it has been strongly suggested they not make plans that the new board might have to overturn.

For some reason they don't want to have elections until they get everything running smoothly, which to them is just operating as they have which potentially means another year of non compliance.

It's not a normal course of events where you bring up something rational and everyone gets it so I am looking for laws and procedures. It will help to get the missing paperwork.

Thanks again
JillS6 (Arizona)
Posts: 10
Posted:
What do your Bylaws say - do they call for an election yearly? How many board members, all 1 year terms? Is there a management company? Where are the financial records? What state are you in? Have you checked the statutes for hoa's there to see if they have to provide copies of records to you? I would be direct and not worry about their feelings. How many homeowners are there? Do you have people ready to run and take over the board?
LeslieB3 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Hi Jill,

We don't have a copy of the bylaws, we don't have a copy of the initial paperwork, we just have three people on the board (2 of them married) who take money, make repairs and fill the pool.

Yes we have good people ready to take over but we are astounded at the lack of "everything" and are just overwhelmed at the possibility of taking over, provided the three actually decide to have elections, and yes, they know we want elections (I made a sign lol) but they also know we might not elect to open the pool and that must be done (in their eyes) so they may delay elections until after they have made more band-aid repairs and sell memberships.

Was that all one sentence? whew, yeah we are still shaking our heads.
JillS6 (Arizona)
Posts: 10
Posted:
What are the 'memberships'? I'm trying to figure out what the situation is? Your community owns 2 acres and a pool and you can opt in or out of having use thereof? Ie. pay or not pay? The Bylaws should be available via a title company. The state statutes should clarify the availability for you to review the financials, where the money is going etc. I see one huge red flag, only 3 board members and 2 of them are married...they are controlling the money. How much is a membership? The current board members must do the election per the Bylaws. If you have a realtor, ask them to get the Bylaws from a title company they work with...usually you can get these without a charge. If you can get them and post here before your meeting, I'll read them, however I read on this site you can't disclose the hoa name, so maybe you could black out that info before posting...
JillS6 (Arizona)
Posts: 10
Posted:

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/PR/htm/PR.209.htm

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jill,

Most States do not require filing of Bylaws unless the development is a condominium.
Leslie's development is single family homes.
Leslie has said she will be going by the records office to get a copy of any deed restrictions (CC&Rs) which will be helpful but typically won't address administrative procedures of the Association (as those are usually in the Bylaws).

As a corporation, corporate laws would apply. However, most corporate laws defer to the Bylaws (which nobody can locate). Additionally, based on the initial posting, it appears that the Association might not be current in corporate filing fees with the State. If this is true the Corporation may have been suspended or even administratively dissolved by the State. This can cause other issues.

Based on the OP, it also appears that the Association has failed to pay property taxes and perhaps Federal/State taxes on time. This is another issue Leslie is trying to verify and include in her report.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members for it's members. The pool repairs/maintenance, bills, and property taxes can only be paid in full if there is enough money there to do it. Sounds like you are ALL getting what your paying for...

Former HOA President
LeslieB3 (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I found the deed to the HOA but it was obscured when scanned so to get a clear copy would have to go down to the Court House however:

A Texas search found that the HOA as a corporation was dissolved as of April 27, 1994. I did request copies of all the information which includes the articles of incorporation which will take a few days to get to me.

So no DBA, no Corporate Identity, no copy of the bylaws I'm not sure what we are.

Still Clueless in Texas.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Leslie,

You would be an unincorporated Association.

Depending on TX law, the fact that you are unincorporated may or may not be a violation of the law unto itself.

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