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SharonH9 (Virginia)
Posts: 216
Posted:
Being a first-time HOA member, I am confused by the lien concept so I have few questions.

1. Can an HOA lawfully file a lien when the CC&R's are silent on the matter? What if the CC&R's expired?
2. Is it just a matter of law that an entity such as an HOA can file a lien for money owed?
3. What is the process for filing a lien?
4. How are owners notified?

I appreciate any input. Thanks.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Liens are issued for unpaid dues. Although there is one exception. If the HOA pays to remove/fix a violation and the owner does not pay them back, the HOA can place a lien for that money owed. (Rare case and another topic). Those are the two scenerios for lien issuance. Fines work like "speeding tickets" for a HOA and considered more like extra income.

The cost of liens vary with each area. Some require an attorney to file the liens. Other states a lien may be filed for free or a fee by representatives of the HOA. It is best to call the courthouse for the way they handle filing liens. You do not have to have a lawyer on retainer to file. There are some legal places that will charge for the service. A few hundred dollars is the typical amount. That amount is then ADDED to the lien for the total amount to be paid back to the HOA.

Liens notifications are considered "Public" and published in the local news source. In the legals section of the newspaper whenever they publish that. However, the HOA usually sends a certified letter to the owner notifying them the lien has been filed. It goes to the HOA address but a courtesy letter sent to their home if it is somewhere else. The HOA address is the one on record and should always address official correspondence to.

Your HOA should be able to file liens because even individuals have a right to file liens for money owed. So why should a HOA not have the ability file a lien?

Foreclosure of the lien is another long topic. There are similarities between the two. However, foreclosures are just for stopping the bleeding. They rarely ever get money back for the HOA and do most of the work for the bank.

Hope that helps!

Former HOA President
SharonH9 (Virginia)
Posts: 216
Posted:
So just for clarification. I can place a lien on someones home if they owe me money no matter what the reason.

Let's just say I mowed my neighbor's lot for $1,000 for the mowing season and I never get paid for doing the work. I can place a lien on his house?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
There are different types of liens and the requirements for each vary by State.
You need to check your State statutes.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Darn, hit the button too soon.

I wanted to add that the example you describe would likely be considered a mechanics lien.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SharonH9 on 05/22/2013 4:04 PM
So just for clarification. I can place a lien on someones home if they owe me money no matter what the reason.

Let's just say I mowed my neighbor's lot for $1,000 for the mowing season and I never get paid for doing the work. I can place a lien on his house?


I am not nor do I play a lawyer.

Basically, yes you could file a lien but laws/procedures vary from state to state. Many liens are "paid" in the order they were filed thus the 1st lien is usually the Senior Lien and the 1st paid. In most cases the 1st lien is from the mortgage holder, the 2nd from a refinance, etc. Could the $1,000.00 landscaping bill be the 1st and Senior Lien and as such, force a foreclsure? Yes it could be, but who would lose their home to a foreclosure over $1,000.00? If a foreclosure, short sale, etc. happens, generally the lien holders are paid off in the order they were filed, not the amount they were filed for.

It is possible to hold a lien and the liens are removed (clean title granted) even if the lien(s) were not paid off in a foreclosure. Typical when the owner is in deep financial trouble, you cannot get blood from a stone. Typical in a HOA, they are far down the list of lien holders, they rarely get paid nor does the landscaper/plumber/painter, etc. with the $1,000.00 lien.

When liens are removed and not paid, the debt is not simply forgiven. The one owed can legally persue the person (debtor) that owes them including liening other "things" they own, etc.

Hope this helps.
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
Posted:
1. If the HOA bases the lien on expired CC&Rs, then it is probably not legal. It is possible to pursue a slander of title lawsuit for an invalid lien, but you would have to consult a lawyer. You can do an internet search for slander of title.

2. Iowa law for condominiums says that regular and special assessments are a lien, meaning that by law an assessment is a claim on the property. A condo association can record a Notice of Lien, which is just a paper describing the lien, and usually drawn up by an attorney. I don't know if HOAs have a similar law.

3. The association goes to the county Recorder, hands them the Notice of Lien, and pays a small fee to record it. Some attorneys do this over the internet.

4. The owner may not know that a Notice of Lien has been recorded until the property is being sold and a Abstract of Title is prepared. Anyone can go to the county Recorder at any time to request documents about a property, including liens.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
One thing you need to look for in the CC&Rs is the typical language that the owner is agreeing to a continual lien for the amount of assessments. As I understand it, when this language is in place, the Association isn't placing a lien on the property as one technically already exists based on the deed restrictions. The Association is simply recording the lien for the legal protections a recorded lien provides.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Let us also understand the strength of a lien. A lien on the property typically means the owner can not get a clean title on their home until the debt is paid. Can not sell a home without a clean title. However, if the home is foreclosed on by the bank, that lien pretty much comes out in the wash. It always good to have one on a property that owes. Just be aware the risks involved and the money collection may never happen.

Now you wonder about why one does not simply sue instead? A lawsuit is also a "court judgement". It is issued after the court has ruled in favor of the HOA. It allows the HOA to collect the debt owed. It does NOT mean one walks out of the courtroom with the money in their hands. There a several issues associated with this method. 1. The owner can sell their property without paying the judgement. 2. It does not accumulate like a lien does. It has to be amended by the court to reflect the total amount owed. 3. It has to be renewed every 7 years or so. Considering a Board changes every 1-2 years who is going to remember the outstanding judgement? 4. Not guaranteed your going to win the case.

Overall a lien has more teeth than a lawsuit judgement. Even though it may take more time for a lien, a court battle leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouths. It's preferable to go with a lien. It's just not as "sexy" as a lawsuit threat, but it's got stronger teeth.

Former HOA President

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