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ChuckB3 (Delaware)
Posts: 11

Posted:

looking for some answers.
I have been a homeowner in my development for 13 yrs the only owner of this property. since the Developer has turned the community over to the HOA we are on our 3rd HOA yes I said 3rd. i understand that its all volunteers doing it and some people just want the betterment of the community. All of the Money collected when all the lots were sold have since between the 1st and 2nd HOA were spent on absolutely nothing. Majority of it was on an Insurance policy for something that was not needed according to the documentation i was given.

Now this new Board has set our dues at first $100 per household. I have no problem paying it if there is a strong reason behind it. But the members of the Board are unreasonable in talking as soon as you oppose anything they say the President once to cop an attitude and say basically "if you do not like it you do it!" there are over 220 homes currently.

I have had my communications or I have tried and I was told that they take my communication as a personal attack. There is none. if i give anyone money i expect certain things to be answered for.

now there was in incident where we had exchanged emails about certain thing that approx 10-14 other homeowners were on the email. well after the exchange i found out that one of the Board members contacted my place of employment that he thought. Saying my views were going to effect how the community would use the business. Yes this is what he implied.

the story is longer but i don't want to ramble.

But now they have decided they are going to hire a management co to basically Shield themselves from any contact from Homeowners this is how i see it.

but when in the last year you collected $27724.00 and you spent $12189.00 to hire a management co and an additional $7271 on attorney and court fees. That's 70% Why should I be apart of this. id like to go into more of this at some point but now i am just not going to pay into something that there is no return on.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059

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Chuck,

Welcome to the forum. What is it your actually asking of us to assist you with (if we can)?

KevinK7 (Florida)
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I'm confused as to how you can be on a 3rd HOA. What exactly do your C&Rs state in regards to an association.

JonD1
Posts: 2,350

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Chuck:

It would seem to me you need to educate yourself about the operation of the HOA before you might condemn the people on this new Board.

First thing is you sat you have 220 homes or thereabouts and the HOA collected $27,000 in the last year is that correct? If so I don't see that as a huge budget on which to run a community of 220 homes. Now with 220 homes IMO that would require an MC which you state will be paid $12,000 per year or $1,000 per month or $250 per week to manage the affairs of 220 homes. Again, IMO that is not out of line.

If you have a volunteer Board who does not wish to volunteer their time to self-manage the property an MC is the only real option.

Now your comment about not wanting to be a part of this suggests perhaps you might consider not paying your fair share which comes to $122 per YEAR! IMO that would be the wrong road to go down.

And your comment about the insurance well I would like to know what document suggested to you the HOA was not required to carry a Master Policy. 220 homes on how many acres of land with what amount of common area?? Pool? private roads??? Service providers working on the property, D&O coverage, Fidelity bond coverage???? IMO even IF not required it would be stupidity not to carry such coverage.

Managing a property of that size just might entain more than you can imagine. And demanding explanations as to how your HOA plans to "waste" your $100 per year HOA dues is IMO the wrong way to go about learning what needs to be done and how much that costs.

Don't jump to the conclusion the HOA is operating poorly until you have the facts on whiuc to base a real opinion.

My guess this might be one of the reasons the Board is hiring a MC to handle day to day operations rather than as you suggest putting a buffer between them and the owners. The Board members are owners too.

Good luck...

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563

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There might be some things to think about in Jon's reply, Chuck. Many HOAs with 220 homes have management companies. $1,000 a month sound as if the property manager is not full-time and is not always onsite.

To get a better handle on what your Homeowners Association (usually called an HOA) is responsible for, read your governing documents, especially your covenants, Conditions & Restrictions (CC&Rs; CRs or CCRs). The HOA's obligations are generally carried out by a board of directors, which is elected by homeowners. The Board carries out the duties specified in your CC&Rs

Question: when you wrote 3 HOAs, did you mean three boards of directors?

So what you expect your dues to go towards, as Jon mentions are things like property taxes, one or more kinds of insurance and other things, for example snow removal, landscaping and perhaps other things that contractors do. Funds also may be set aside for a reserves account, which "saves up" for the major repair and replacement of items that your HOA is responsible for--fencing, roads or sidewalks, lighting systems, sprinkling systems, perhaps, or common area amenities you might have like a clubhouse, swimming pool and/or playgrounds.

If your bylaws or perhaps your state's laws about HOAs, which usually are corporations, permit it, you may ask to review your annual budget for your HOA. In this budget, you'll be able to see what your HOA spends money on each month.

I wasn't able to follow some of your post. Did you want your "business" to be able to do work at your HOA?

ChuckB3 (Delaware)
Posts: 11

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Yes the 3rd.
We live in a Town. We have town sewer the Town Maintains all common areas for grass cutting and snow removal. We have lights at the front entrance Maybe that's what the insurance is for. We do not have a pool or anything of the sorts. The Town pretty much pays for everything. We as homeowners pay them.

And 1st of all I am not condemning. I've reached out to one of the members to talk about things maybe over a beer. And no one will volunteer if you can not communicate. I can upload a document that shows exactly. If the monies were put to good use I have no issue paying. I am for the betterment of the community. I don't plan on leaving. Just want to see what options there are. Ask me anything and I will tell you what I can.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563

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OK, here's my question: Have your read your governing documents???

JonD1
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"But now they have decided they are going to hire a management co to basically Shield themselves from any contact from Homeowners this is how i see it."

"but when in the last year you collected $27724.00 and you spent $12189.00 to hire a management co and an additional $7271 on attorney and court fees. That's 70% Why should I be apart of this. id like to go into more of this at some point but now i am just not going to pay into something that there is no return on.

"

I'm sorry Chuck but the coments you made in your first post sound certainly critical of some fo the Board's decisions.

"i am just not going to pay into something that there is no return on."

Chuck according to the numbers you provided your portion is about $10 per month. Just what does the property need to show you that justifies you paying .33 per day?

And again the numbers you quoted about the $7,000 in legal fees do you have any idea what those expenses were for? Does you property have any units in foreclousure? Anyone not paying the share of the dues? That equals les than $600 per month or the going rate here about 3 hours per month in legal expenses. Again, for 220 homes far from the range I would get excited over.

Do you have monthly Board meetings? Annual meetings????? If so have you attended?

And while I might understand your low key approach to kicking back wiith a few cold ones while the Board member answers you questions, I too can understand why some might not be up for that. Considering how you approach the subject.

Board members volunteer their time. Many communities hold monthly meetings when the Boards might be available to answer questions. My guess most Board members do not have the time or motivation to make one on one appointments with owners who might have questions that should have been provided at the monthly meetings.

So Chuck if you don't like the word condemn call it whatever you might. Your statements sound to me like you beleive something is being done wrong. That is how I would take them.

Good luck.

ChuckB3 (Delaware)
Posts: 11

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John let me put it this way.
Yes I have been to the Meetings. That's how I know these things. Please it sounds to me that you may be taking them personally.
I am only stating the things I know. And like I said in the original post when you ask you get shut down and again basically told if you do not like it you do it! that is no way to have open communications. Am i wrong? If the main purpose of this HOA again told to me at our meetings was to make our community better. This is no way making our community better. The last Public Meeting was held to Elect or Re-elect Board Members. I personally had households show up because I simply asked them to. That was 1/2 of the households that showed. Most people in this community do not get involved for the Main fact that this HOA has not been active for Many years. Just in the Last year was when we were told about our dues. I hadn't pad a thing for 11 yrs other than what i paid to the developer at closing. So if this is so important please ask me why after 11 years we need to be threatened with legal action to pay. That was how they came at everyone. Why not go door to door and get the support. Again I tried to speak to them to give them ideas. They do not seem to want to either respond to them at all. When were told about this management co there was no vote it was " we have decided" this is a one side HOA with a few members deciding for everyone.
Truly I get tired of hearing that "if you don't like it you should volunteer". i work 6 days a week with other commitments. I choose not for those reasons. If they chose to do it than take the responsibility for it.

I'm trying to give you as much as I can.

I am looking for opinions on what rights i have.

Ok Let me ask this. If there can be a revision or addendum made to the By laws if thats what they are called . How can I get that done in reference to this? Maybe I do not and my neighbors surrounding me agree that the money should be spent elsewhere rather than to a management co.

ChuckB3 (Delaware)
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Posted By KevinK7 on 05/17/2013 2:11 PM
I'm confused as to how you can be on a 3rd HOA. What exactly do your C&Rs state in regards to an association.

Kevin I am not sure what C&R's are and every time I look things up I just get confused. what i am not confused is to how the money is spent. And why after 11 yrs we really need this? Any foreclosed property I would think very few the HOA doesn't do anything. The town will do what is needed

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059

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Chuck,

Kevin dropped a C when he typed. It should have read CC&Rs which stand for Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions. This is also known as deed restrictions and is the terms of the contract you entered into with your neighbors simply by purchasing your property.

When you indicate 3rd HOA, did the actual name change or are you referring to the individuals who served on the Board of Directors changed?

JonD1
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Posted By ChuckB3 on 05/17/2013 8:24 PM
John let me put it this way.
Yes I have been to the Meetings. That's how I know these things. Please it sounds to me that you may be taking them personally.
I am only stating the things I know. And like I said in the original post when you ask you get shut down and again basically told if you do not like it you do it! that is no way to have open communications. Am i wrong? If the main purpose of this HOA again told to me at our meetings was to make our community better. This is no way making our community better. The last Public Meeting was held to Elect or Re-elect Board Members. I personally had households show up because I simply asked them to. That was 1/2 of the households that showed. Most people in this community do not get involved for the Main fact that this HOA has not been active for Many years. Just in the Last year was when we were told about our dues. I hadn't pad a thing for 11 yrs other than what i paid to the developer at closing. So if this is so important please ask me why after 11 years we need to be threatened with legal action to pay. That was how they came at everyone. Why not go door to door and get the support. Again I tried to speak to them to give them ideas. They do not seem to want to either respond to them at all. When were told about this management co there was no vote it was " we have decided" this is a one side HOA with a few members deciding for everyone.
Truly I get tired of hearing that "if you don't like it you should volunteer". i work 6 days a week with other commitments. I choose not for those reasons. If they chose to do it than take the responsibility for it.

I'm trying to give you as much as I can.

I am looking for opinions on what rights i have.

Ok Let me ask this. If there can be a revision or addendum made to the By laws if thats what they are called . How can I get that done in reference to this? Maybe I do not and my neighbors surrounding me agree that the money should be spent elsewhere rather than to a management co.

Chuck:
It appears you are in a situation where you have a combination of bad factors.
1) seems the current Board is unwilling or unable to run the HOA on a daily basis, hence the hiring of a management company.
2) a large majority of owners who either have no interest in understanding the operations of the HOA, the governing documents for the HOA or the process under which it runs.

To be honest most of what you have provided suggests to me you understand very little about the costs, details, or structure of running an HOA.

Sounds to me like there is a great deal of confusion on both your part and that of the current Board.

Under your property's documents it might be possible and legal for them to make the decision to hire a MC. Despite the fact you don't agree that a Board should have such authority in many cases they permitted to do so without your input or that of the other property owners.

And finally Chuck with all, due respect your comment about how busy you are and your decision not to involve yourself well that too is part of the problem. Not for only your property but many properties. IF you leave the management of your property to others who YOU believe are not acting responsibly then in the end IMO you are in part to blame.

And how is it you expect other owners to man up and do whatever it is that needs to be done while you can't be bothered? They should do as much as necessary while you do little more than question every decision and action they take. And that works how?

Your options:

1) Hire a lawyer and have them do the work for you.
2) Make sometime to read and learn what in fact is going on and why without bringing along the opinion the HOA is WRONG because they don't do things your way.
3) Gather a group of like minded owners work the remove the Board and if successful then decide who will do what's necessary 24X7 to manage the property without using an MC. Only option being you or one of the other new Board members doing so.

When you post on a public site and ask for opinions you just might not like what comes back to you. That does not mean that advice is bad or incorrect perhaps just something you didn't wish to hear.

Good Luck......

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059

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Chuck,

You obviously care about the community you live in. That is demonstrated on your willingness to attend meetings, ask questions and the fact that you are doing research on the issue (which I expect is how you found this site). To help you in your research, I would offer the following:

Delaware page of the Community Associations Network (a sponsor of this site). Carries info specifically about Delaware HOAs

Explanation of applicable documents This is an excellent short explanation of the various documents that may affect your Association.

DELAWARE UNIFORM COMMON INTEREST OWNERSHIP ACT

DELAWARE UNIFORM UNIN- CORPORATED NONPROFIT ASSOCIATION ACT Delaware corporate law that may be applicable. Corporate laws typically address procedures.

HOATalk Thread on How to read a statute (law) which may help you to interpret and understand laws and statutes.

HOATalk thread on Reserve Studies which every association should have.

I hope this helps,

Tim

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
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But now they have decided they are going to hire a management co to basically Shield themselves from any contact from Homeowners this is how i see it.

I don't blame them. I wouldn't want to run an 220 house HOA for free. Spending all of my free time on HOA work, for no pay and work a full time job, and spend time with family. When an HOA reaches a certain workload, its time to offload it to a mgmt company.

You could help out by forming an "owners" group and getting competitive quotes for mgmt companies, and legal fees, etc. Just because you're not an officer doesn't mean you can't track expenses and offer alternative solutions.

Just complaining about the expenses really does nothing. Your just a complainer. Offer solutions.......

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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To add onto what Steve is saying... You make the contract with the MC how you want it. The MC is a contractor to the board. So the board makes the decisions and has the MC do the work. Some may send out violation letters and others may not. They don't send them out on their own. The board/ACC has to decide if it is in violation to do so. The MC can charge money for the sending the letters out.

You make the contract what you want. The MC does not follow the rules of the HOA. The HOA follows those rules and has the MC handle the notifications. I'd shop around for an MC and get a few quotes. Believe me, it is ALOT of work to do on your own. We used an Accounting firm to handle our finances but the rest we did ourselves. It was non-stop adventures...

Former HOA President

ChuckB3 (Delaware)
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Ok here is what the Breakdown is I am not a great at typing.

2013 Budget:
Income $27,724.00

Mgt Fee (Mgt Co) $12189.00

HOA Ins Policy $500.00
Electric for front signs $240.00
Postage/Paper/copies $700.00
Attorney/Court filing fees $7271.00
Community Event Fund $100.00
Meeting Room Rental $90.00
Tax Filing /Preparation fees $200.00
Franchise Tax $25.00
Landscape Maint (Front Signs Only) $2865.00
Landscape watering $1500.00
Former Gazebo Area repair $700.00

Total Expenses $26380.00

reserve Fund Contribution $1319.00

Net Income $25.00

Now all that being laid out. Am I wrong for questioning?

When i say 3 HOA's. Part of that is yes 3 Boards. But take in consideration We started with a Board. Nothing happend? han another Board and that went to the waist side. Then Dormant for 5 or 6 0r 7 yrs.

I'm frustrated.
As to offering solutions again if you read any of the previous. They are not open to hearing from Me. Ive reached out to them and because when i ask they want to take it as me attacking them personally. I say if i enter into any cotract with anyone and we exchange money I have the right to ask and not get an attitude as to why am i asking. just showing me a paper does not count.

ChuckB3 (Delaware)
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thanks Tim i will check these out

ChuckB3 (Delaware)
Posts: 11

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Carol

Sorry for the late response.
As to my place of business. I am in the Auto Industry. I do not want to do business for the HOA

One of the members specifically sent an email to my employer stating my views were going to impact people in the area from buying vehicles from us. Now i never meet this man prior to that email. and he never once responded to the exchange. And he still sits on the Board when i asked the President for him to be removed after that. but again never addressed that at all.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Chuck

You say 43% of budget ($12K of $28K) for a Management Company. That is a pretty large chunk. Also you say $8K of legal expense on $28K. That is about 29% of budget for legal issues. I say these two areas (75% of your annual budget) need to be looked at hard and fast.

Present the numbers as I have to fellow owners. Get them questioning the expenditures.

We have 113 standalone homes ($60K budget) and our management fee is about $7,500 or 13%.

Also based on the numbers you provided, I believe a case could well be made for your association to be self managed.

Hope this helps.

ChuckB3 (Delaware)
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John I am not saying. Those are the facts. That's the document I have in hand. So what right do I have i am wondering? Since they have decided. They did not send out a vote on this. why a management co? As i stated before because they want to shield themselves from anyone who questions them. That's what I have a hard time with. They chose to take on the Task. I chose not to participate if i do not agree with their actions. If the funds were being used for the betterment of community, events, beautification, not to just throw money at a MC to not to deal with your neighbors is plain wrong.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Chuck

You have two choices. Accept the as is or do something about it.

I believe if you presented the numbers, as I presented them, to your fellow owners you might get enough to start asking questions and maybe replace some of those on the BOD come election time.

I know I would not like the numbers.

You have the ammunition. How you use it is your decision.

Hope this helps.

ChuckB3 (Delaware)
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In you Opinion and Others are also welcomed to respond. Do you see a need for an HOA like this? I am good at organizing people. That's why I hopped on this forum. to get ideas. and see if i was really of base with my questions and my expectations. Thanks

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
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Mgt Fee (Mgt Co) $12189.00

HOA Ins Policy $500.00
Electric for front signs $240.00
Postage/Paper/copies $700.00
Attorney/Court filing fees $7271.00
Community Event Fund $100.00
Meeting Room Rental $90.00
Tax Filing /Preparation fees $200.00
Franchise Tax $25.00
Landscape Maint (Front Signs Only) $2865.00
Landscape watering $1500.00
Former Gazebo Area repair $700.00

Total Expenses $26380.00

reserve Fund Contribution $1319.00

Net Income $25.00

It doesn't appear like you have much to take care of. I'd probably get rid of the mgmt company, hire a single book keeper on a contract basis and handle hiring the landscaper myself.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By SteveM9 on 05/19/2013 9:44 AM

It doesn't appear like you have much to take care of. I'd probably get rid of the mgmt company, hire a single book keeper on a contract basis and handle hiring the landscaper myself.

I agree.

JonD1
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Posted By JohnC46 on 05/19/2013 7:55 AM
Chuck

You say 43% of budget ($12K of $28K) for a Management Company. That is a pretty large chunk. Also you say $8K of legal expense on $28K. That is about 29% of budget for legal issues. I say these two areas (75% of your annual budget) need to be looked at hard and fast.

Present the numbers as I have to fellow owners. Get them questioning the expenditures.

We have 113 standalone homes ($60K budget) and our management fee is about $7,500 or 13%.

Also based on the numbers you provided, I believe a case could well be made for your association to be self managed.

Hope this helps.

John while I understand your math I do not agree with your conclusions.

Chuck has 220 homes. The MC cost is about $1,000 per month or $250 per week.

Hardly, in my view overexpensive.

Just what are the MC's contractual obligations on this property? Do we know?

As to the legal IMO without a real breakdown of what these charges were for simply impossible to make an evaluation as to them being legitimate or not.

Any foreclosures?? Anyone not paying dues? Any collection work in a 220 home community? Again, as I brokedown before at a going rate of $200 per hour adds up this property is geting less than 3 hours of legal work per month. Is that excessive?? Not where I live.

My impression is Chuck has no real understading of what has gone on in the past and what is taking place currently. My guess the members of the Board have already labeled Chuck as a problem child. Hence, their unwillingness to sit and be grilled as to where Chucks' $100 per year dues might now be wasted.

My guess there are a lot more costs to running this property that Chuck was or is aware of. And his unwillingness to see, beleive, or accept any of that is problematic.

IF you wanted to avoid using an MC then make the Board's job as simple and stress free as possible. Rather than attacking, condemining and questioning every number, action and detail you are provided. Can you blame this Board for wanting to use an MC?

I live on a property with 1/2 as many units with a budget more than 10 times Chuck's. Each property is different and without a clear picture of what is collected and how it is spent we have no idea whether this Board is acting properly or not. My guess, the numbers Chuck provided don't startle me.

To have a property with 220 units, paying $122 per year for the items listed is not worthy of upset in my opinion.

And why would anyone be willing to self-manage when the rest of the 200+ owners second guess, question, and resist every Board action? While being willing to do nothing.

I would want no part of that.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
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Chuck, again I agree with Jon form NY. Those numbers don't seem very high to me at all especially if your mgr. is sending out violation letters, sending letters to call violators to hearings, typing meeting minutes, sending letters to delinquent owners, etc.

And, again, Chuck, I see a really need for you to read your HOA's governing documents, especially your CC&Rs and your bylaws.

ChuckB3 (Delaware)
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John ,
This is the problem, Why am I a problem because i as questions? I am not sheep or cattle. i do not need to just follow. You must be part of a Board.
I can only tell you what I have been told and what documents I have. When does society say you just pay because someone says to without questions? When i have to write a check for $150k for something at work i ask for what? When I get asked for $50 for some part at work i ask. Why am I wrong for asking. Please answer me that. If all you can tell me is to keep my mouth shut don't ask and just pay or move. that's not what I am looking for. I am looking for adequate solutions to the problem. i am looking for communications amongst the member's. but since they have decide " I'm a problem than maybe they should not have taken on this duty and just pawn it off on a MC

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Ask questions but have a solution. Do not just ask questions for questions sake. Have an acceptable answer in mind. What is so unacceptable about your HOA's budget? A HOA is a nonprofit so it is to spend what it makes on it's expenses of operations/capital savings.

What then are you looking for? That there is no extra money or things are neglected? If bills are being met and your board only raises dues 3% a year a year for cost of living your HOA is doing good.

Former HOA President

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Former HOA President

ChuckB3 (Delaware)
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Melissa what I posted is that acceptable?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836

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I do not get your not wanting an MC in your HOA? IS it based on expense or duties? Seems you are focuses on the expense and not the reason behind. A MC is a paid contractor of the HOA. They do what the board tells them. Which as volunteers only in a HOA it is good to have someone function in this capacity. It can consume your life and running otherwise. Plus these people are professionals and should have an idea of what they are doing. Something that is helpful to everyone.

Why keep questioning that? Do the research and reading yourself. My question is why you do not run for office? If you keep second guessing every decision?

Former HOA President

JonD1
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Posted By ChuckB3 on 05/19/2013 4:07 PM
John ,
This is the problem, Why am I a problem because i as questions? I am not sheep or cattle. i do not need to just follow. You must be part of a Board.
I can only tell you what I have been told and what documents I have. When does society say you just pay because someone says to without questions? When i have to write a check for $150k for something at work i ask for what? When I get asked for $50 for some part at work i ask. Why am I wrong for asking. Please answer me that. If all you can tell me is to keep my mouth shut don't ask and just pay or move. that's not what I am looking for. I am looking for adequate solutions to the problem. i am looking for communications amongst the member's. but since they have decide " I'm a problem than maybe they should not have taken on this duty and just pawn it off on a MC

Chuck:

Evidently you read and hear whatever it is you decide was said. And you twist what others say to suit your agenda. I never said you should keep your mouth shut. I never said you were wrong for asking questions. What I did say and you immediately denied it was you seem to be condemning the actions of your Board without any real understanding or knowledge as to what goes into managing a property of that size. I also suggested you educate yourself past speculation and assumptions as they may be based in fantasy rather than reality.

Now lets see I do in fact serve on a Board. Like most of the folks that come here to share positive ideas and suggestions as to their duties serving their communities. BOARD MEMBERS. I have volunteered my time for 26 years. And yes I held a full time job and yes I too had a life during all of those years. So lets cut the crap about now how you assume because I don't see the world as you do I must "part of a Board". As of only people on a Board would not see things your way. That Chuck just might be part of the problem. What YOU bring to the table. Attitude, assumptions and all.

And lets get real Chuck if and when you were to write a check for $150k for most of us that might be slightly different from you now paying $122 per year to the HOA. As I have mentioned your dues comes out to around .33 per day. But you want a volunteer Board member to sit with you and explain where all that money goes to YOUR satisfaction. Sort of like running a business worth millions and wasting time counting the sheets of toilet paper. Not worth the effort. In totality Chuck what is your property worth? 220 homes at _______ per home equals_______.

And to protect, service, and maintain that community you have an issue with a cost to you of .33 per day.

So let me wrap this up Chuck. Some here have given their opinions. Some have provided options. None has satisifed what YOU are looking for. Maybe because it doesn't exist. There is no magic wand that you can get where you get everything you want the way you want it without knowing or doing anything. That is not how life works.

No one here told you to shut up and keep quiet. No one here told you that as an owner you have no right to ask questions. That you brought to the table when opinions given did not suit your needs.

So Chcuk you are well within you rights to see your Board members, who are in fact owners themselves and more than likely they in fact pay the same dues as the enemy. Wasting your money and their own because your property should cost you less than .33 per day to operate.

My guess alot has to do with your approach and tone in dealing with these people. And the ridiculous notion they are required to spend one on one time with you one property owner to explain and justify the collection and expenditure of your .33 per day. Understadning your position is there can be no acceptable explanation.

Many if not most HOAs of your size use MCs and it is not to shield themselves from the owners in fact they themselves are owners! It is to manage a community and property that requires daily attention and service. Do you have any idea what the MC does on your property?
Would you be willing to work for a rate of pay equal to $250 per week?

The numbers you provided just don't add up to me as some sort of abuse issue. But it seems you have decided wrong is being done and everyone should provide you with as much of their time as needed to prove otherwise to you. I question whether that is even possible.

So as I have said before Good Luck. Appears to me you are driving yourself insane over .33 cents. And the road you have decided to take will never get you where it is you need or wish to go.

"but since they have decide " I'm a problem than maybe they should not have taken on this duty and just pawn it off on a MC"

Chuck your Board was either elected because some thought they could do that job or hold the job because like you most people sat back and decided it was not worth any effort on their part.

This last comment of yours for me shows where it is the problem lies. If the HOA can't give Chuck what he wants they should not have the role. Two questions come to mind. Would you take the job? Would you ever have a chance of being elected?

Tough Chuck to deal with people when you can see only their role in the issues facing both parties. Just what is your role. What have you done to settle this besides making demands, assumptions, and accusations. Which seem to be baseless.

IMO part of the problem is your attitude and approach. So far how has that worked for you????

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