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JenniferZ1 (Florida)
Posts: 27
Posted:
I am an HOA board president, just entering my second year. I and several others, including a long time board member, were elected to oust a "judge/jury/executioner" style Board, who, along with the ARC, preferred to ignore the CC&Rs and FL Statutes and play by their own rules.

Now I am dealing with two longtime ARC members who feel they can continue the ways of the old regime (ignoring CC&Rs when it suits them, and "laying down the law" when it presents an opportunity to victimize someone.)

On top of that I have a Board member who is not adhering to the CC&Rs in the way his property is managed and is now installing a fence without ARC approval because the ARC omitted his application from their agenda because he dropped it off with an ARC member, not the Mgt. Co. Another Board member did the same, but WAS included.

Long story short, it is an ongoing battle of pettiness and vindictiveness among some ARC and Board folks who aren't willing/able to read/follow/understand the CC&Rs and Florida statutes.

I believe in operating by the book; and think by doing so, problems should be eliminated for the most part. However, polite requests to operate in accordance w/the CC&Rs to our offending ARC members and to a lesser extent, one Board member, have been met with personal attacks against me.

I am entirely fed up with a few people constantly creating problems just for the sake of drama. Have any of you dealt with this? I need some advice on how to address this situation, short of standing up at our next meeting and announcing I am tired of dealing with the BS, getting rid of our wayward Board member, and disbanding the ARC!

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I just posted a similar topic - we don't have quite the drama of your HOA (yet!0 but we do have a board member who isn't following the CCRs regarding upkeep of his unit and I was looking for a way to tell the homeowners how the Board addressed it (it's looks like the issue is heading towards executive session). Read it and let me know your thoughts!

Now, as to your situation - I think everyone needs to be reminded (in strong terms) why the ACRs exist and if they aren't followed consistently and fairly, they'll be virtually meaningless. If the ACR committee members aren't paying attention to them, it may be best to remove them - you'll have to check your policies and procedures to see how that's done and brace yourself for a battle. Tell those folks they're putting the Association at risk if they pick and choose which CCRs will be followed and by who, and since committee members generally serve at the Board's pleasure, the board can decide to remove them to eliminate that risk.

As for the Board member, he also needs to be reminded that serving on the board doesn't give him the right to choose which CCRs he wants to follow. As a community leader, he must lead, which means setting an example for other homeowners - otherwise the Board loses credibility. If he can't/won't do that, the board will have to treat him the same as any homeowner. Since he's a board member, he wouldn't be able to participate in any vote concerning action the ASsociation would take because that would be a conflict of interest.

You may have to do what our Board is about to do - hold an executive session to hash all of this out. If the rest of the Board is too timid to do what's right, you may have a decision to make - stay and put up with the BS or resign - tell people you cannot and will not serve with a group that willingly ignores their fidicuary duty to enforce the CCRs consistently and fairly. Good luck!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By JenniferZ1 on 05/08/2013 2:04 PM

Now I am dealing with two longtime ARC members who feel they can continue the ways of the old regime (ignoring CC&Rs when it suits them, and "laying down the law" when it presents an opportunity to victimize someone.)

It's likely that you are required to have an architectural committee (read your documents to be sure). However, members of the committee typically serve at the pleasure of the Board. Make a motion at the next board meeting, take a vote, then (expecting the vote passes) go to the individuals home and thank them for their past service but future service is no longer required. Then ask to be given all the architectural committee files they have in their possession.

When they ask why, simply respond that it was a board decision. There is no need to go into further details.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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How many are on your board, Jennifer? Do all of you agree that the particular director is violating your rules?

I have to wonder why the non-complying director isn't being being called to a hearing & fined, Jennifer, just like any other homeowner? If like CA, the discussion & vote would need to happen in executive session. If I lived in your HOA, I'd be very upset with a Board that permits directors to violate your ARC document. I'd be thinking that the Board is playing favorites and not practicing its fiduciary duty to do what's best for your HOA.

Or do your docs not contain a Schedule of Fines?

How many members are on your ARC? Is it required by your declaration (CC&Rs)? Our bylaws and my understanding is that most bylaws or other HOA docs spell out how committees may be formed, by whom (usually the Board) and how they may be disbanded--again usually the Board.

With Tim & Sheila, I too say the Board needs to "fire" these ARC members and appoint new ones. Yes, the Board would need to discuss & vote on this in executive session.

If you want to and are able to per FL statutes, your bylaws, or Robert's Rules of Order, your might censure the director first to see if he complies.

Or, Jennifer, do you think you would not have a majority of your Board supporting either action/decision? Is it other directors who are personally attacking you? In what way?
JenniferZ1 (Florida)
Posts: 27
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Thank you for the replies. We have 6 on the Board now, and one vacant seat. That is the problem with getting rid of the ARC members; we will have a hard time finding two folks to replace them. Our CC&Rs require 3, and we do have the power to remove them. However, finding anyone to join the ARC is a problem; which is why I would prefer to work things out with the existing members; and get to a place where everyone can perform their role in compliance w/the Cc&Rs.

I think the majority of the Board would support the removal of the 2 problem ARC members. And for the *most* part, the Board is in agreement on the majority of issues; I am not being attacked by the other BOD members.

However, recently, when e-mailing the ARC at the request of the BOD (sent from me as Pres. and copied to BOD)to operate their committee in accordance with the CC&R and citing the specific CC&Rs, etc. they needed to comply with, one of the ARC members replied only to me with a personal attack that contained accusations, etc. having nothing to do with the issue at hand. This ARC member and another seem to think they can continue to make up the rules as they go along and just seem beyond resentful that the current BOD (i.e. ME as Pres.)has called them out on it.

There is a history here, since the current BOD ousted the old BOD for this exact type of behavior, however these two committee members who were/are in cahoots w/the old BOD remained in place as there was no one willing to take on the ARC roles.

I feel silly having to explain this childish drama, but there it is. I just want it to end. It is starting to feel like there is no way to resolve it as attempts to reach out to them and put personal differences aside have failed. I think they prefer the strife and drama and take every opportunity to stir it up.

That is why I have to get onto the one BOD member about being in compliance, because these folks are looking for any excuse to stir the pot and I feel we need to be beyond reproach in our examples as a Board in order to maintain credibility.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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Ah, I see, Jennifer.

Is there any reason why all ARC decisions cannot be reviewed by the board for some sort of final decision? Would your Board be willing to do that? Your board might need to do this until you're able to find decent ARC members.

As a Board, you are responsible for your committees and, IMO, your board needs to at least go on record somehow showing your collective disapproval of them ignoring your governing docs. Perhaps, call this rogue committee into a meeting with the board in executive session (because it's a personnel matter) and seeing if you all can work this out?

Keep all correspondence between the Board and the committee, I'd say, to show this ARC that the Board wants them to comply.

I have a feeling there are others on this forum who can reply with better ideas than mine.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By JenniferZ1 on 05/09/2013 5:31 PM
Thank you for the replies. We have 6 on the Board now, and one vacant seat. That is the problem with getting rid of the ARC members; we will have a hard time finding two folks to replace them. Our CC&Rs require 3, and we do have the power to remove them. However, finding anyone to join the ARC is a problem; which is why I would prefer to work things out with the existing members; and get to a place where everyone can perform their role in compliance w/the Cc&Rs.

I do believe that it's harder to find volunteers for the Architectural Committee than it is for finding volunteers to serve on the Board. One does have to ask what is best for the Association. Perhaps placing two board members on the Committee until replacements can be found is better than allowing those two committee members to cause issues within the Association.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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Can the board members serve as the ARC members? If so kick these two to the curb and take the reigns.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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We hardly had anyone on our ARC. However, whatever decisions they made had to go through the board anyways. So we operated without an ARC and made the decisions ourselves. I'd invite the board members over to the situation and we would discuss it. Our decision was the final one. So just because your HOA allows for a committee and it to have a certain number of volunteers, does not mean it has to have one.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
The BOD should be able to disband the ARC and act as the ARC while in the process (and this could take years) of re-establishing the ARC.

Generally comminnttees serve at the plreasure of the BOD and the BOD can dismiss the committee mebbrs as they wish. No need to even give a reason.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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So . . . John46 agrees with earlier suggestions including mine to dump the existing ARC.

Our CC&Rs require an ARC of three, so to not have an ARC isn't an option. Our State's Corp Code does permit directors to serve on committees, so in the best interests of your HOA as a whole, you may need an ARC of directors if permitted by your bylaws or state, Jennifer.

In the meantime, I don't think you've mentioned why your Board isn't fining the director who's in violation of your ARC rules?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Carol

Yes I agree with others, yourself included, but I thought it rather creative/sneaky/another way to skin the cat, etc. for me to suggest the BOD serve as the ARC while they reform it...and as you know...reforming can take years...LOL

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