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GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
On the newsfeed today there was another story of a MC allegedly making off with money from up to 12 HOA's. What does your HOA do to protect its funds? Keeping in mind there have been an equal number of stories where a trusted Board member has absconded with funds.

Our documents require: The Board shall obtain fidelity bond coverage with respect to any person who either handles or is responsible for funds held or administered by the Association, in an amount no less than the maximum funds that will be in the custody of the Association or its management agent at any, time while the bond is in force. Provided, however, the fidelity bond coverage must at least equal the sum of three months assessments on all living units in the project, plus the Association’s reserve funds. A management agent handling funds for the Association shall also be covered by its own fidelity bond, at the sole cost of said agent, naming the Association as an additional obligee. All bonds shall provide for ten (10) days written notice to the Association before the same may be canceled or substantially modified for any reason.

Plus we are required to have an Annual Audit.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
We are self managed so there is no one other than board members on the signature card.

Bookkeeper collects, tracks and deposits assessment payments.
Treasurer reconciles bank statements and issues checks.
We require two signatures on every check.
Income/Expense statements are issued each month and posted on website as part of minutes.
Budget summary (budgeted, actual, remaining) issued each month and posted on website as part of minutes.
Financial Review by external CPA every two years.

Additionally, the association carries a crime policy which works as our fidelity bond. The Bookkeeper is required to obtain their own fidelity bond as they are an independent contractor and not covered under our policy.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
We require two signatures on every check.

We used to too but the bank told us that even if werequired two signatures, in reality the bank only required one.

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GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
We require two signatures on every check.

We used to too but the bank told us that even if we required two signatures, in reality the bank only required one.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
- original bank statements mailed from bank to a person NOT in charge of writing the checks. Copies are then scanned and emailed to that person and cc other board members.

- mint.com account access for all board members. its read only of all of our bank accounts, so no worries about stealing or messing anything up

- mint.com automatically emails 2 board members if any check is over $100

- bank automatically emails 1 board member if any check/withdrawl is over $100 or other alerts such as the balance falls low, etc.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By GlenL on 05/06/2013 11:18 AM
We require two signatures on every check.

We used to too but the bank told us that even if werequired two signatures, in reality the bank only required one.

Yep, our bank also advised us that they only require one signature and would cash any two signature check even without the second signature.
However, we believe having the two signature rule still adds some safeguards so we still use it.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Most likely, the bank personnel don't even look at the signature(s) on the check other than to insure there is one.

According to a friend of mine who is an assistant vice-president and branch manager, the signatures are not checked to see if the right person has signed them or if the signature is genuine (not forged). It would require too much manpower and would be too costly.

I remember one situation several years ago when a check from one of the organizations I belong to was cashed by the bank even though it had been signed by a former officer who had not had signature authority for years.

The only time the bank will actually check signatures is when you report checks as stolen or issue a fraud alert. If you require the bank to actually check signature you will be charged extra for the service. Usually, they will suggest closing the account and transferring the money to a new account, leaving only enough money in the old account to cover any checks you know to be outstanding.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Following is a post on this subject:
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts:4766
05/08/2006 10:31 AM Quote Reply

Have you read the article "Property Managers Accused of Theft"? This seems to be a too common occurance. If you have read DARCO's ad under the HOA Professionals tab perhaps you notice we remove possibilities for theft.

Does a financial review or audit prevent theft? NO! So what can an HOA do? Start by setting up policies and procedures which prevent the MC from access to funds. How? We use the following procedures and require them in our Management Agreements:

All payments must be made payable to the HOA - never to the MC. The payments are sent to the MC or the record of deposits is sent to the MC.

All checks must be signed by a Board member who is a signee on the account - no one in the MC ever signs a check or has the ability to withdraw funds. However, we have access to view the account, transfer funds between accounts, and receive and reconcile the monthly statements.

The monthly financial reports are e-mailed to all Board members and copies of the bank statements are sent quarterly to the Treasurer for comparison to the financial statements.

Anything else? Yes, the HOA needs fidelity insurance. This protects against theft by Board members as well as the MC. Does DARCO provide anything else? Yes, to our clients.

The above procedures may not be acceptable to some MCs. They may argue that they need to pay for emergency repairs. But this can be done by authorizing a limit on expenditures which they can authorize without Board approval. Also a working, or petty cash, fund can be provided to the MC.

Protect your HOA funds with good money handling procedures.

P.S. Two signatures only gives a false sense of security.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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FYI: We had to have special ledger checks that were designed to have the 2 signature requirement. They had a signature block for the Accountant and then on the other side 2 places for the 2 board assignees. So there was 3 signatures altogether on our checks. We had to pay extra for those type of checks. The bookkeeper had a ledger with them to account for everyone written.

Whether or not the bank would cash them with one is irrelevant. That's because if we had any questions, we could get a copy of the checks to see who signed them. That way it could be accounted that someone was not acting properly. With my ex-president being a crook. It was always good to keep an eye on this. He could have by-passed me a few times before I changed things up.

Former HOA President
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Two comments to the above posts:

Depending on your bank, it may not necessary to scan statements as they may be available online already in PDF format. The only hitch is that anyone with access to obtain the copies will have access to the entire account. Still, treasurer or other board member can download pdf statements and email copies to everyone else.

I found out a decade ago that a person can deposit a check made payable to a business or someone else by putting in through the ATM. Checks that no teller would allow you to deposit to your own account fly right through the ATM without question. My bank does not even require an endorsement signature for ATM deposits.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Of course not on deposits. They don't require ID. It's like looking a gift horse in the mouth to refuse someone doing that!

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By MatthewW4 on 05/06/2013 3:38 PM

My bank does not even require an endorsement signature for ATM deposits.

Thanks for reminding me. Our Association does not have an ATM card or Credit card.

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