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AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
One unit owner is telling the Board that they must enact a new law that vehicles when parking at
the condo complex (condos.... not houses). In this way, one can see the license plates on each vehicle
to see at an instance if the vehicle is up to date on registering... ALSO by parking their vehicles in frontwaysw(
into assigned carports), the exhaust will not be forced into the condo units that are nearby the carports.
Is this something that an HOA should enforce? Even if the vehicle(for example) is NOT up to date on
its registration, we do not have a towing policy whereby the HOA can authorize the vehicle being towed. Many of the vehicles
belong to individual owners who live in New York... Canada... etc.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Are you saying this owner wants someone on the board to monitor auto license plates to see if their tags are current? Why is this your HOA's business?

Is this the same owner who doesn't want commercial vehicles parked in your project?
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Alex,

The phrase "a new law" confuses me. Are you saying that there is a new state law that requires this or is this owner demanding that your board enact a new rule for your association?

If it is a state law, let the concerned owner call the police.

If this owner is asking for a new rule, suggest that he call a meeting where all the other owners can decide in an election whether they want want your association to be in the smog-and-license enforcement business.

AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
Carol:
Yes, this is the same owner who does not want commercial vehicles parked in the complex.
AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
Matt:

No.. not a new law.. but the owner wants the Board to change the regulations and include it in our new regulations for the complex.
not sure if JUST the board members can make that decision.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AlexM1 on 05/02/2013 3:22 PM
One unit owner is telling the Board that they must enact a new law that vehicles when parking at
the condo complex (condos.... not houses). In this way, one can see the license plates on each vehicle
to see at an instance if the vehicle is up to date on registering... ALSO by parking their vehicles in frontwaysw(
into assigned carports), the exhaust will not be forced into the condo units that are nearby the carports.
Is this something that an HOA should enforce? Even if the vehicle(for example) is NOT up to date on
its registration, we do not have a towing policy whereby the HOA can authorize the vehicle being towed. Many of the vehicles
belong to individual owners who live in New York... Canada... etc.

Alex

I think one could make a safety case for parking vehicles in a specific direction for vehicle exhaust reasons. A weak case but none the less, a valid one.

The license plate/registration issue is none on the association's business.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AlexM1 on 05/02/2013 6:21 PM

No.. not a new law.. but the owner wants the Board to change the regulations and include it in our new regulations for the complex.
not sure if JUST the board members can make that decision.

Depending on your governing documents, Boards typically have full authority over the common areas. Expecting this to be the case, adopting such a rule would only require the Board to adopt a resolution and publish it to the membership.

Of course, the next Board could undo what the current Board did, etc. etc. etc.

Hopefully you've elected strong intelligent individuals to the Board who will listen to common sense and do what is best for the Association.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Are you on the Board, Alex? How many are on your board? How many condos are in your HOA? If this man is the only one who complains about this topic, would the board really want to make a new rule?

As Tim notes, usually the board can make a new rule on its own. But some states, like CA, require that notice of the board's proposed change be sent to owners for a 30-day comment period before the Board votes on it. So, you need to know your state's laws on this (if any). Or your CC&Rs might specify how rules can be made or changed. Ours do.
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 05/03/2013 4:00 AM
Depending on your governing documents, Boards typically have full authority over the common areas. Expecting this to be the case, adopting such a rule would only require the Board to adopt a resolution and publish it to the membership.

Quote:
Posted By CarolR11 on 05/03/2013 9:19 AM
As Tim notes, usually the board can make a new rule on its own. But some states, like CA, require that notice of the board's proposed change be sent to owners for a 30-day comment period before the Board votes on it. So, you need to know your state's laws on this (if any). Or your CC&Rs might specify how rules can be made or changed. Ours do.

I am not so sure it is that simple.

Unlike an HOA where the association owns common areas such as playgrounds, condo associations do not own the common areas (at least not in my area.) Each owner owns an undivided portion of the common areas. Whatever limits there are on the use of the common areas must be spelled out in the CC&R’s as the owners’ consent is required; it is their property. Even if the CC&R’s give the board the authority to assign parking, it is not likely that the board has been empowered to designate what direction a vehicle must face when parked.

If I were on the board of Alex’s condo association, I would give the owner who is concerned about what direction cars are parked two choices:

1)Secure sufficient signatures on an amendment to the declaration to enact this restriction while remembering that if less than all owners agree that the restriction cannot be imposed on existing owners; or

2) At his own expense, obtain a written opinion (with full references to all authorities relied upon) from a licensed attorney that would lead to the conclusion that they board may adopt the proposed rules but further require that the owner post a bond to indemnify the association against any lawsuits arising from the rule.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MatthewW4 on 05/03/2013 2:33 PM

Unlike an HOA where the association owns common areas such as playgrounds, condo associations do not own the common areas (at least not in my area.)

HOA's do not own the common areas either. However, the CC&Rs typically give the Board full authority to adopt rules and regulations that affect the common areas.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Our condo HOA's CC&Rs give the board the authority to make/change/delete rules re: our common areas and exclusive use common areas so long as they don't conflict with the CC&Rs or municipal/state/federal laws. CA has other requirements too as noted in my above.

But this raises another question for Alex: You say that the carports are assigned. Does this mean that the Board assigns them? Or are they actually deeded to units?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Alex

When you get one person "complaining" either treat them with benign neglect or toss the ball back at them requesting them to prove something.

Hope this helps.

AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
carports are deeded to owners.
PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AlexM1 on 05/03/2013 3:52 PM
carports are deeded to owners.

Here is what we have, as long as they are not parking on the public streets:

"Limitation on Number of Vehicles. A maximum of one of the below- listed vehicles may be stored on an ASC-approved, surfaced portion of an improved lot. Any vehicle or trailer so stored must have a current registration. All others stored on the property must be parked inside a garage or screened from view using a method approved by the ASC. A specific permit from the ASC must be obtained for the screening method to be used before the items are stored.

Recreational-use trailer, of any size to be used for non-commercial use only.
Motorhome
Slide-in camper mounted on a vehicle"

Paul T
MatthewW4 (Arizona)
Posts: 500
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 05/03/2013 2:40 PM

HOA's do not own the common areas either. However, the CC&Rs typically give the Board full authority to adopt rules and regulations that affect the common areas.

Tim,

My association has no common areas so ownership is not an issue. I did look at the county assessor's map for several HOA's in the Phoenix area and found that at least some associations do own some real estate. These parcels are typically intended as catchment basins for storm runoff but are used for recreation the rest of the time. I did not look specifically for any, but I would think a common amentity such as a clubhouse and/or swimming pool would also be deeded to the association. Someone has to own those facilities and it seems that deeding them over to the association would be preferrable to each owner having an undivided fractional interest in them.

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
I know when I lived in Michigan, state law was that you had to park where your license plate could be seen for enforcement purposes. However, I agree with others: what exactly is your HOA trying to enforce? We do have a rule about all of the cars in our community having to be operable and registered, but that was something that came from our police department because a lot of stolen cars get dumped in the area and there is another nearby community that has a huge problem with stolen cars. If we have that rule then the cars can be towed off our property. Otherwise it is a pain to get them out of your neighborhood, especially if your streets are private.

That is really the only way I can see it being an issue, but let's face it, criminals aren't following the rules regardless. This person is just stirring things up. I'd tell him if he wants to change the CC&Rs he is more than welcome to lobby homeowners and secure the votes needed.

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