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AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
I asked this question some time ago and never did get an answer that really satisfied me.

My question is (it is very difficult to get the right words out).... a person can be a very nice person, caring, etc. but almost immediately after they (he or she) has been appointed to the HOA board,theie demeaner changes and sometimes drastically. It is something psychological that makes that person go bezerk. They become very lofty, much more imporatant than anyoneelse..... and when they say something, they expecy action to be taken immediately regardless of the feasibility/etc of the thing that they recommend. I remember one newly appointed board member wanted the pool chairs thrown away and a new one purchased EVERY TIME A BIRD pooped on the chair....Another wanted every inch of concrete sidewalk torn up and a nedw sidewalk laid... cost would have been over $700,000 but they did not care... it is to be done because he/she(as a board member) said so.

This is another psychological change that comes over the new member(all of them that I have known)... theyimmediately insist on spending thousands of dollars for stupid, stupid stupid things...

Why does this or what is this... that takes over that person who is or has been newly elected to the Board?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I don't remember what was said in the last thread on this subject, but the truth is, the answer varies from person to person. Some people can take on a leadership position (whether it's a HOA board member, bank president or even student council body president) and be just fine, while others change for the worst. I don't think it's so much about the power (actual or preceived) that the position brings, it's really about that person's make up before he or she assumes that position of power.

Maya Angelou has said when someone shows you who they are the first time, believe them. You have to look at people and watch how they handle the little things - if they're nitpicky and seem to demand their way all the time on the small stuff and no one puts them in check early (and sometimes often), they can become difficult to handle when given even larger amounts of power.

Then we have the people who have magnetic personalities - the ones that can talk anyone into doing damn near anything. Sometimes other folks find these personalities hard to resist and go along with them, no matter how ridiculous the idea really is. Before you know it, the organization is in an uproar and by the time people shake themselves out of their stupor, it takes a long time to clean up the mess.

People have to be willing to speak truth to power and a LOT of us have trouble with that, especially when we are the only ones who are willing to stand up and question what's going on, rather than accept the BS most people throw our way. Some people are too afraid to say anything, while the others back off after Ms or Mr. Magnetic twist things around to make it sound like the one asking the question is the one with a screw loose. And some can do it in such a way that the person posing the question soon believes them.

Yes, power can corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is why people have to pay attention to who they're electing to the Board, Congress or anything else. They really do have the power and have to be willing to exercise it and demand answers. But of course, that's too much for some people and so they sit and watch while the maniacs slowly take over.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Yes, sometimes an individual changes from serving on the Board.

However, often it's just that the perception others have of that individual changed (perhaps because they asked "a friend" to do xyz and "a Board Member" had to decline that request).
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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they immediately insist on spending thousands of dollars for stupid, stupid stupid things...


Seems you didn't know these people as well as you thought you did. They were always stupid........ they just lacked any power to do financial damage. Now they have it.
ValerieS2 (Michigan)
Posts: 244
Posted:
Sheila that was very well put and Steve, that was astute an observation as I have ever read here.
AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
It still DOES not give a psycho-analytical answer to the question...maybe there is none
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Posted By AlexM1 on 04/11/2013 7:46 PM
It still DOES not give a psycho-analytical answer to the question...maybe there is none

Well, people are complicated - ask 10 people why they do or don't do something and you'll probably get 10 different answers. That's what makes life do damned interesting - and irritating at the same time!

I recall from my long ago college days of reading about Socrates and his various dialogues with people. I don't remember the exact ones I read, but I do remember Socrates would ask a number of questions and slowly tear down the other person's position using reason and logic and that may be what you'll have to do with the "stupid, stupid" board member. Look at all the things you don't like about a certain proposal or decision and ask individual questions about them. Be sure to LISTEN before you speak - perhaps you'll hear something you hadn't considered and that might make that decision not so stupid.

At best you'll get a lively debate, assuming everyone else is paying attention - or the other person will get irritated quickly realizing his/her usual glib response won't past muster this time. You don't have to get into a shouting match with people - sometimes, it's as simply as letting them run their mouth.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I may be wrong, Alex, but I understand a psychological approach as dealing with the lone unique individual and the effects of his/her personal biography/history on her/him. The effects of his upbringing in his immediate family, for example. It seems to me that psychology tries to answer the question of motivation. WHY does she abuse alcohol? WHY did he leave his wife? WHY is she a bully? WHY is he so shy?

On boards, though, we're talking about a small group of people and there's social interaction among several unique personal biographies with the relationships that emerge from the group context. For better or for worse, what emerges from this interaction is going to be a different animal than any individual biography. We cannot predict in advance what the outcome, which always is in flux, will be. I believe that this is called social psychology. or small group analysis.

So to look toward psychology for answers might be off target.

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